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05-11-2009 02:32 PM #1
Oops!
File this one under "Taking My Own Medicine".
No excuses, I just missed it.
Someone brought up Rule 25-2 Embedded Ball in another thread, and I immediately realized that I had violated this rule at the NCGT event this past Saturday.
I took relief from an embedded lie, but it was not in a "closely mown area". It was in fact in the rough. I should have either played it as it lay, or declared it unplayable and taken relief (and a penalty stroke) under Rule 28. I ended up carding a bogey 5 instead of a double-bogey 6, and subsequently I've DQ'd myself for violating Rule 6-6d.
I guess I won't do that again.When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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05-11-2009 02:34 PM #2
Ouch.
Life dinnae come wit gimmies so yuv got nae chance o' gitt'n any from me.
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05-11-2009 02:58 PM #3When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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05-11-2009 03:06 PM #4
Yah, but you are setting a fine example. Just think how much mileage this story will get as you dish out rulings to those who don't want to suck it up and take thier lumps!
Lobbie: "What are you complaining about? One time... blah blah blah .. so I called myself on it. That resulted in a DQ."
Rookie: "I'll take the 2 strokes sir. Thank you sir."
Life dinnae come wit gimmies so yuv got nae chance o' gitt'n any from me.
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05-11-2009 03:07 PM #5
Sorry to hear that, Rich. You were having a pretty solid day, too. I don't recall the situation, but do remember that tough chip you had on that hole...
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05-11-2009 03:18 PM #6When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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05-11-2009 03:37 PM #7
Weren't the results already posted, didn't Noback post them on the NCGT yesterday? I thought that once a tournament is over and the results are 'certified' for lack of a better term, the results stand as posted. Could Sean O'Hair all of a sudden realize he didn't replace a ball that moved in the rough at Quail Hollow two weeks ago, call up the committee and have his win overturned?
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05-11-2009 03:38 PM #8
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05-11-2009 03:47 PM #9
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Lobwedge under all RCGA, OVGA events the embedded ball rule is "through the green" so you should not be DQ'd. This is written in as a local rule and any event that I officiate at that is the way it is. The R & A won't allow the change it in the rules but the USGA and RCGA have basically adopted as a standard local rule.
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05-11-2009 03:52 PM #10
Yikes! I missed that completely!
Stroke Play
In stroke play, a penalty must not be rescinded, modified or imposed after the competition has closed. A competition is closed when the result has been officially announced or, in stroke-play qualifying followed by match play, when the player has teed off in his first match.
Exceptions: A penalty of disqualification must be imposed after the competition has closed if a competitor:(i) was in breach of Rule 1-3 (Agreement to Waive Rules); or
(ii) returned a score card on which he had recorded a handicap that, before the competition closed, he knew was higher than that to which he was entitled, and this affected the number of strokes received (Rule 6-2b); or
(iii) returned a score for any hole lower than actually taken (Rule 6-6d) for any reason other than failure to include a penalty that, before the competition closed, he did not know he had incurred; or
(iv) knew, before the competition closed, that he had been in breach of any other Rule for which the penalty is disqualification.
In match play:
Once the result of the match has been officially announced, a later claim may not be considered by the Committee, unless it is satisfied that the opponent knew he was giving wrong information.Life dinnae come wit gimmies so yuv got nae chance o' gitt'n any from me.
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05-11-2009 04:00 PM #11Proud member of the 2009 OG/TGN Ryder Cup Champions
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05-11-2009 04:02 PM #12
Unplugging an embeded ball is not the same as stick handling to improve your lie.
Life dinnae come wit gimmies so yuv got nae chance o' gitt'n any from me.
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05-11-2009 04:06 PM #13
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05-11-2009 04:08 PM #14
Still, not the same thing as embedded ball.
Life dinnae come wit gimmies so yuv got nae chance o' gitt'n any from me.
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05-11-2009 04:08 PM #15
We discussed that before the round and decided to go with LCP in "your own fairway only".
Yep, me too! I had to re-read Exception (iii) about 5 times before it sunk in. I still feel really bad though.
That was lift/clean/place Bob, not embedded ball.When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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05-11-2009 04:12 PM #16
I will learn to stay out of the rules section some day
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05-11-2009 04:15 PM #17
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05-11-2009 04:32 PM #18
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Lobwedge if it was an embedded ball through the green you could have dropped as close to where it was embedded which is different than LCP then play it from the unembedded lie.
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05-11-2009 04:35 PM #19
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05-11-2009 04:49 PM #20
Thanks for the extra work there Rich!!
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05-11-2009 05:12 PM #21
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05-11-2009 05:13 PM #22
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05-11-2009 05:24 PM #23
Lobbie, you are a true gentleman. Player of a gentleman's game.
I'd say "Congratulations" for your display of sportsmanship, but Bobby Jones, who once called a penalty on himself, said when congratulated for doing so "that would be like congratulating me for not robbing a bank". He was also a true gentleman.
There you go. You have been favorably compared to one of the greats of this game, for one of his finest attributes.Life dinnae come wit gimmies so yuv got nae chance o' gitt'n any from me.
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05-11-2009 06:22 PM #24
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05-11-2009 08:09 PM #25
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05-11-2009 08:12 PM #26
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You might want to check to see if the course had a Local Rule in effect allowing relief for an embedded ball through the green (although I'm assuming this was done prior to the event):
NCGT Local Rules
Play is governed by the 2008 Rules of Golf of the Royal Canadian Golf Association (RCGA), where applicable, by the following NCGT Local Rules, and by the local rules of the course being played.
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05-11-2009 08:15 PM #27
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05-11-2009 08:19 PM #28I've spent most of my life golfing .... the rest I've just wasted"
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05-11-2009 08:19 PM #29
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05-11-2009 08:20 PM #30
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