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11-10-2019 07:53 PM #91
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Just to clarify a few points. I am a resident and voted yes for the levy. The average cost per residence is approximately $283.00 based on a 600,000 dollar home. Levy will be for 9 years and covers purchase, legal fees, and and start up fees etc. All info is available at Stonebridge community association web site for all to view.
Course will be redesigned to a 6000, yard par 70 course. Mattamy has agreed to operate for 10 more years. The Stonebridge association working group has looked at the books and stated they believe that it is viable to continue operating as a golf course using a management firm to operate. Andy
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11-10-2019 08:35 PM #92
I don't think a 6000 yard par 70 course is what golfers want. They will go elsewhere. In a declining market that is a nail in a coffin. It may satisfy the homeowners (for now) but the course will never be what it once was. I assure you that 10 years from now, the course in that form will be making no money at all, will be in ratty condition due to lack of funds, and no longer be worth keeping open. What a shame. I loved that course.
Life dinnae come wit gimmies so yuv got nae chance o' gitt'n any from me.
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11-10-2019 09:03 PM #93
I hadn't played Stonebridge for a few years until a tournament this summer.
At some point they actually took the black tees out of play. They are not listed on the scorecard, hole markers, or in the Golf Canada system.
The current blue tees are 6030 yards par 71. In order to get to 6000 yards with the last proposed changes they will need to bring back the black tee boxes.Not fat anymore. Need to get better at golf now!
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11-10-2019 09:16 PM #94
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Thank you for sharing. I personally don’t agree with the viability of a 6,000 yard golf course but who knows what the landscape looks like in 10 years. I suppose there really wasn’t much choice if you are a current homeowner. IMO, the golf course landscape could look significantly different in 10 years but that’s just my best based on those I speak to and interact with
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11-11-2019 08:59 AM #95
Yes a lot can change in 10 years---at my age a shorter course might help my handicap The fact that the green space will be protected is a plus-----maybe a spot to remember old golfers can be designated to scatter ashes
Does the 2nd hole-n-one come easier ?
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11-16-2019 03:15 PM #96
Agree a 100% with Kilroy. In the next few years there will be only guenuine golfers left on golf courses since there is almost no newcomers to the game . And real golfers don't wanna play short courses. If you wanna play short courses you can do it every given day , just play from the forward tees
Chip
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11-16-2019 07:57 PM #97
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Are you serious? It has been a 6030 yard par 71 course since forever, and you think making it a 6000 yard par 70 course is "a nail in a coffin"? Really?
The course has always been short - and has always been challenging in spite of that. I don't think 30 yards is going to change that. There are lots of par 70 courses around that golfers love playing - including the Kanata G&CC here in our region. Conditions have always been good, and there have been no indications that the course is not profitable - just not as profitable as it would be stuffing it with homes selling for half a million dollars plus.
I'm sure residents and golfers in Kanata Lakes would take this deal in a heartbeat - because I'm sure they don't like being in the position of crossing their fingers and hoping the City of Ottawa has their back. Good luck with that!
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11-16-2019 08:04 PM #98
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11-18-2019 08:32 AM #99
The problem with making it a par 70 6000 yard course it that it screws up so many holes. To play from the blacks there are going to be a lot of holes that you will be hitting a long iron or hybrid into, and into greens that weren't designed to handle that kind of shot as the majority of greens are elevated. Same with a number of the par 3's. So while the course might be 6000 yards, for the average golfer it will be a very difficult test.
I got a fever. And the only prescription is more golf equipment.
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11-18-2019 09:41 AM #100
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I think some people may equate yardage and difficulty, I think slope is a good measure rather than yardage.
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I am abidextrous, I once golfed right-handed and now I shoot left-handed just as badly!
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11-18-2019 11:00 AM #101
It's not about difficulty, it's about making the golf course interesting/enjoyable.
If the redesign results in an "executive" length course where the holes are so short that you can't hit driver on the majority of them and/or all the par 3s are shot then it won't appeal to a lot golfers.
According to the last proposal that was published, they based the yardage off of the old black tee distances for the unchanged holes, which as I have pointed out have not been in play for at least one year.
So if the make the changes people will have to accept that several holes will play harder than before if they still want to play a 6000 yard course.Not fat anymore. Need to get better at golf now!
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11-18-2019 07:08 PM #102
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Just so everyone is clear, this is the last proposal that everyone voted on (see page 13):
https://www.stonebridgeca.com/wp-con...BUdYlsc7BHTphY
With the possible exception of the short par-3 9th hole located where the practice green is now, there is nothing on this scorecard that says "executive course" or "mickey mouse" to me. Clearly they are going to re-use the black tees to bump up the total yardage to over 6,000 yards - but if I'm hitting long irons or hybrids into a majority of the holes then I'm moving up a tee box.
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11-18-2019 07:25 PM #103
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11-18-2019 07:46 PM #104
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11-18-2019 07:56 PM #105
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11-18-2019 10:07 PM #106
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11-20-2019 12:41 PM #107
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This proposal was not the one we voted on. Check out the Stonebridge Association web site for the Draft plan. It is a little different.
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11-20-2019 01:18 PM #108
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11-20-2019 01:58 PM #109
I didn't notice on the new proposal that they are now suggesting a bunch of changes on the back nine as well.
The point still remains, it's only going to be over 6000 yards from the back tees.Not fat anymore. Need to get better at golf now!
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11-20-2019 10:41 PM #110
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I think the new proposal is better actually. As long as the conditioning remains at the current level then I think it will be fine. It has always been a shorter course with tough greens, so that will still be the case. I think the biggest change will be that more golfers will play from the back tees.
FYI here is the scorecard for the Kanata Golf & Country Club:
https://course.bluegolf.com/bluegolf...dscorecard.htm
It is a par 70 course that is 6036 yards from the white tees. I'm pretty sure they have no shortage of golfers playing from there.
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11-21-2019 01:54 PM #111
I have been watching this ongoing craziness from Vancouver for many months now. I used to love to play Stonebridge, great course, but hated the mickey mouse hole locations.
I really hope this works out and the layout is a playable/safe course. Sad really. Stonebridge was an amazing course a few years ago.Obviously you're not a golfer.
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11-22-2019 10:24 AM #112
Playing from the tips at SB at 6k yds would be a disaster for most golfers as too many holes (I count at least 7 holes that would require long irons or hybrids into them) and those greens are not designed to accept a shot like that. It really messes up the course layout. The new #9 should be interesting until someone shanks it into the clubhouse.
I got a fever. And the only prescription is more golf equipment.
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11-22-2019 10:38 AM #113
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11-22-2019 05:02 PM #114
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I’m not a long ball hitter by any stretch but I don’t see this being the case at all. There isn’t a single par 4 over 395 yards. Unless you are hitting your driver, including carry, 200 yards and if that’s the case move up a set of tees. It was always a course who’s defence was in the green complexes. Most new sets of clubs allow players to launch the ball higher without losing any distance. I don’t like the course myself but I’m hoping it works for those who do as it’s such a great game I’d like to see as many play as possible. Hope it works.
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11-22-2019 05:07 PM #115
I guess I have played the course so much from the Blues that I know I would struggle on quite a few holes form the blacks, especially with certain pin positions and when the wind is up I would have zero chance of holding the greens. I guess we will see when all is said and done but I don't see it as an improvement at all.
I got a fever. And the only prescription is more golf equipment.
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11-22-2019 09:18 PM #116
I am quite pleased with distances on each hole as I think this will suit the majority of "regular" golfers. This is not an "executive layout". Too often, golfers play from the wrong tees and most golfers should not be playing from longer than 6,000 anyways. If Mattamy is able to continue maintaining this course at the same standard, then it will remain a great course to play. I am glad it is a course so close to my home and I am hoping this all works out.
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12-01-2019 06:32 PM #117
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I agree em69, a lot of golfers choose the wrong tees out of pride maybe but those same golfers may enjoy the game more if they did move up a bit.
Lefty Lucas
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12-02-2019 07:18 AM #118
As i grow older, i have been putting my ego aside and playing proper tees. I have never been a long hitter and Stonebridge is a great example of a 'short' tough course. The greens and bunkers are what makes this course fun and challenging to play.
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12-02-2019 07:48 AM #119
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Agreed but I also see the point of other golfers who see this change in yardage making it less appealing to play
Lefty Lucas
I am abidextrous, I once golfed right-handed and now I shoot left-handed just as badly!
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12-06-2019 01:48 PM #120
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Is there any date being shared on when the development/changes will begin? The file shared only indicates Jan-Feb 2020 rezoning application will go to planning committee for approval.
When will the shovels be in the ground?
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