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[Golfer100]

I was at the game too....lucky Reimer played the game of his life last night and Andy had his first off-night of the season. Obviously, not a lot of punch in the defensive core of the Leafs and, even more obvious....not a lot of punch in your enforcers...lol!

Leafs 4 Sens 1. Leafs in the playoffs. Sens fighting for 8th spot.

[jeffc]

Leafs 4 Sens 1. Leafs in the playoffs. Sens fighting for 8th spot.

I wouldn't get too excited. Well actually, if I hadn't made the playoffs in 9 years I might actually get excited. The Leafs were completely outplayed last night. Yes they won handily but that team, playing like that is going nowhere in the playoffs, especially playing Boston in the first round.

[nokids]

This will be the first Leafs playoff game in HD!

[Golfer100]

This will be the first Leafs playoff game in HD!

Wrong!!! The first public HDTV broadcast occurred on July 23, 1996.

[jeffc]

Wrong!!! The first public HDTV broadcast occurred on July 23, 1996.

this might be true, but it doesn't mean they showed NHL games in HD in 2004.

[nokids]

Wrong!!! The first public HDTV broadcast occurred on July 23, 1996.

only NASA could afford to buy an HD tv in those days

[fundonny]

I had a 1st generation hd box. The tv weighed 400lbs. No leafs. Thank god.

[Chambokl]

I had a 1st generation hd box. The tv weighed 400lbs. No leafs. Thank god.

Donny, I think nokids might be right. Even if we had HD TV we didn't have the HD converter.... Lots of TV had HD capabilities but I don't remember HD converters in the 90's....

[Golfer100]

I was at the game too....lucky Reimer played the game of his life last night and Andy had his first off-night of the season. Obviously, not a lot of punch in the defensive core of the Leafs and, even more obvious....not a lot of punch in your enforcers...lol!

So "Andy" had another off evening against the Pens, maybe his second of the season?? Where's Ben Bishop, oops the Sens traded him!!

[jeffc]

So "Andy" had another off evening against the Pens, maybe his second of the season?? Where's Ben Bishop, oops the Sens traded him!!

wow, insightful comment.

[Golfer100]

wow, insightful comment.

Maybe not insightful, however, this is:

Andy, #26 for Total Minutes on Ice, #26 for Shots Against, #7 for Goals Against...not exactly a world-beater.

[jmwhite]

Maybe not insightful, however, this is:

Andy, #26 for Total Minutes on Ice, #26 for Shots Against, #7 for Goals Against...not exactly a world-beater.

Correction: Andy #1 Save percentage, #1 Goals Against Average. Do you even watch hockey or do you just make * up as you go?

[habsfan]

So "Andy" had another off evening against the Pens, maybe his second of the season?? Where's Ben Bishop, oops the Sens traded him!!

Im the furthest thing from a Sens fan but you Sir have no clue what your talking about, any goalie that lets in 2-3 goals a game is doing is job, how do you expect a team to win when they only score 1 goal, go watch soccer.

edit: just saw the other post Im glad others noticed.

[Golfer100]

Correction: Andy #1 Save percentage, #1 Goals Against Average. Do you even watch hockey or do you just make * up as you go?

No I do not make this "stuff" up....


2012-2013 - Regular Season - Goaltender - GAA Leaders - Time On Ice
Player Team GP GS SA GA GAA Leaders W L OT Sv Sv% Leaders SO G A PIM TOI
1-30 of 50 results. 1 | 2
1 Antti Niemi SJS 41 41 1167 88 2.14 23 11 6 1079 .925 4 0 1 2 2,462:06
2 Ondrej Pavelec WPG 42 41 1181 111 2.74 21 18 3 1070 .906 0 0 0 2 2,433:06
3 Henrik Lundqvist NYR 40 40 1134 83 2.08 22 15 3 1051 .927 1 0 1 0 2,393:49
4 Pekka Rinne NSH 42 41 1083 96 2.42 14 16 8 987 .911 5 0 1 8 2,384:04
5 Evgeni Nabokov NYI 39 39 1085 99 2.53 23 11 5 986 .909 3 0 4 6 2,345:41
6 Jimmy Howard DET 39 39 1066 84 2.22 18 13 7 982 .921 4 0 1 0 2,265:44
7 Ilya Bryzgalov PHI 39 39 1044 106 2.84 18 17 3 938 .898 1 0 3 0 2,237:52
8 Niklas Backstrom MIN 39 38 1014 93 2.50 22 14 3 921 .908 2 0 0 2 2,229:30
9 Ryan Miller BUF 38 37 1197 105 2.89 15 17 5 1092 .912 0 0 0 2 2,177:14
10 Carey Price MTL 37 36 969 92 2.59 20 12 4 877 .905 3 0 0 0 2,129:55
11 Sergei Bobrovsky CBJ 36 35 1032 72 2.06 19 11 6 960 .930 4 0 0 0 2,099:01
12 Jonathan Quick LAK 35 34 828 82 2.44 17 12 4 746 .901 1 0 0 2 2,014:28
13 Devan Dubnyk EDM 36 35 1073 85 2.57 13 15 6 988 .921 2 0 0 0 1,981:51
14 Braden Holtby WSH 34 33 1062 85 2.59 21 12 1 977 .920 4 0 2 2 1,965:52
15 Tuukka Rask BOS 32 31 879 62 1.96 18 9 4 817 .929 4 0 1 0 1,899:59
16 Kari Lehtonen DAL 34 33 978 82 2.63 15 12 3 896 .916 1 0 2 0 1,869:06
17 Mike Smith PHX 32 32 876 79 2.59 14 12 4 797 .910 5 0 0 0 1,831:31
18 Semyon Varlamov COL 32 31 935 93 3.06 10 19 3 842 .901 3 0 1 0 1,823:36
19 Cory Schneider VAN 30 30 835 61 2.11 17 9 4 774 .927 5 0 1 0 1,733:19
20 Martin Brodeur NJD 28 28 633 63 2.23 12 9 7 570 .900 2 1 2 0 1,697:21
21 James Reimer TOR 30 28 913 68 2.41 18 6 5 845 .926 3 0 1 0 1,694:18
22 Marc-Andre Fleury PIT 30 28 787 65 2.32 22 6 0 722 .917 1 0 0 2 1,679:17
23 Corey Crawford CHI 28 27 729 56 2.03 18 5 5 673 .923 3 0 0 4 1,654:20
24 Jonas Hiller ANA 25 24 646 58 2.42 14 6 4 588 .910 1 0 1 2 1,438:19
25 Viktor Fasth ANA 24 22 631 48 2.10 15 5 2 583 .924 4 0 0 0 1,370:01
26 Craig Anderson OTT 22 22 632 37 1.71 11 8 2 595 .941 3 0 0 0 1,300:49
27 Miikka Kiprusoff CGY 23 23 618 73 3.41 8 13 2 545 .882 0 0 1 0 1,285:16
28 Ben Bishop OTT, TBL 21 20 673 54 2.70 10 9 1 619 .920 2 0 0 2 1,200:38
29 Anders Lindback TBL 22 19 587 57 2.88 10 8 1 530 .903 0 0 1 0 1,185:49
30 Brian Elliott STL 21 17 466 46 2.48 11 8 1 420 .901 3 0 0 0 1,112:16

[jmwhite]

ok...i'll try to help you understand how to read statistics...let me know if i should type slower for you.

He's listed at #26 because you have it sorted by games played. You may not remember but Andy was injured and was out for close to 6 weeks chief.

Pay close attention to the columns that say GAA and SV%....those are the most important and he ranks #1 in both categories.

I know these charts with all those numbers are alot for people to handle so let us know and will help you make sense of them.

[Golfer100]

ok...i'll try to help you understand how to read statistics...let me know if i should type slower for you.

He's listed at #26 because you have it sorted by games played. You may not remember but Andy was injured and was out for close to 6 weeks chief.

Pay close attention to the columns that say GAA and SV%....those are the most important and he ranks #1 in both categories.

I know these charts with all those numbers are alot for people to handle so let us know and will help you make sense of them.

It is okay to disagree with someone's opinion but must you be disrespectful to make a point. A subtle difference but a difference none the less.

PS Don't bother to reply I've unscribed to this thread.

[jmwhite]

PS Don't bother to reply I've unscribed to this thread.

Later leafer.

[jimmyc]

I hate the leafs but only because most of their fans are obnoxious and live far from the place we know as reality. I do not understand how they got this jaded. Its a entertainment but leaf fans who otherwise are decent people turn ugly unlike any other fan base ive encountered. I used to think it was due to having Ballard as an owner but surely that sting has worn off.

[golfinteg]

A more relevant page?
http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary

To include Ray Emery's Stats.
Lets compare to Craig Anderson's

17 Ray Emery CHI 20 18 16 1 0 452 35 1.91 417 .923 3 0 0 0 1,102:11
27 C Anderson OTT 22 22 11 8 2 632 37 1.71 595 .941 3 0 0 0 1,300:49

Both played almost the same amount of games (~20-22) but their INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS when THEY PLAYED to their clubs game outcomes are (16-1-0) & (11-8-2).

Aren't these more important & relevant in the overall scheme of things?

i.e. '% of Games' (W-L-OT) rather than ' % of shots save' and why those columns appear first.

Lets throw in TOR James Reimer stats
13 J Reimer TOR 30 28 18 6 5 913 68 2.41 845 .926 3 0 1 0 1,694:18

Reimer's stats of (18-6-5) are more impressive than Craig's (11-8-2).

IMO?

Reimer's better than Craig's.
World Beaters?
No!
Ray's? Yes

[jeffc]

It is okay to disagree with someone's opinion but must you be disrespectful to make a point. A subtle difference but a difference none the less.

PS Don't bother to reply I've unscribed to this thread.

Opinion is one thing, facts are another. He leads the league in save % and GAA. But lets not let a little thing like facts get in the way of this.

[jeffc]

A more relevant page?
http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary

To include Ray Emery's Stats.
Lets compare to Craig Anderson's

17 Ray Emery CHI 20 18 16 1 0 452 35 1.91 417 .923 3 0 0 0 1,102:11
27 C Anderson OTT 22 22 11 8 2 632 37 1.71 595 .941 3 0 0 0 1,300:49

Both played almost the same amount of games (~20-22) but their INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS when THEY PLAYED to their clubs game outcomes are (16-1-0) & (11-8-2).

Aren't these more important & relevant in the overall scheme of things?

i.e. '% of Games' (W-L-OT) rather than ' % of shots save' and why those columns appear first.

Lets throw in TOR James Reimer stats
13 J Reimer TOR 30 28 18 6 5 913 68 2.41 845 .926 3 0 1 0 1,694:18

Reimer's stats of (18-6-5) are more impressive than Craig's (11-8-2).

IMO?

Reimer's better than Craig's.
World Beaters?
No!
Ray's? Yes

Yes wins are important, but don't tell the whole story. Emery has a phenomenal team in front of him and is playing well but you can't compare the two. Ottawa doesn't have the talent Chicago does and add to that the injury situation in Ottawa and you've got an idea of why Emery's numbers are what they are. GAA and SV% are the telling numbers for a goalie with regards to how a goalie is actually playing vs how his team is playing.

[golfinteg]

OK Lets talk about the individual stats.
The more telling individual stat stats i.e. the mano a mano match between Reimer & Andy in 4-1 win by the Leafs @ the Bank.

Reimer facing 50 shots and % saved?
Andy faced 22 shots & % saved?

QED? No?

[John]

Caaannn you feel the loooove toniiiiighhhttt....

[jmwhite]

Clearly leafer math is not the same as the rest of the world. Andy is leading the league in the most important stats for a goalie. Your pro leafer arguments are using team stats as a measuring stick. Total wins are a team stat. Once again for the slow leafers.....total wins are a team stat.

[jeffc]

OK Lets talk about the individual stats.
The more telling individual stat stats i.e. the mano a mano match between Reimer & Andy in 4-1 win by the Leafs @ the Bank.

Reimer facing 50 shots and % saved?
Andy faced 22 shots & % saved?

QED? No?

You want to boil a whole season down to one game? Please.

[Wilster]

OK Lets talk about the individual stats.
The more telling individual stat stats i.e. the mano a mano match between Reimer & Andy in 4-1 win by the Leafs @ the Bank.

Reimer facing 50 shots and % saved?
Andy faced 22 shots & % saved?

QED? No?

You guys keep Reimer , and we'll keep Anderson , even though your stats for 1 game indicate that you have found the best goalie in the universe ....ever

[Chucker]

Full disclosure: I'm a Leafs fan. But I offer this:

With respect to goaltender stats, Even Strength SV % is likely the most telling stat, for a couple of reasons - the majority of the game is played at ES & it disregards shorthanded situations, where the attacking team is more likely to shoot and score.

That said, Craig Anderson has a career ESSV% of .923 (since 2002-2003, including this year). This season, he has ESSV% of .945. He has only achieved this level twice in his career, in 06-07 when he allowed 5 goals on 87 shots (5GP) for .943, and in 07-08 when he allowed 19 goals on 408 shots (17GP).

James Reimer has a career ESSV% of .927 (since 2010-2011, including this year). This season, he has .928ESSV%. In 2010-11, he was 63GA/936S for .933 (37GP), 11-12 he was 65GA/792S for .918 (34GP).

While Anderson has been outstanding this year, the numbers suggest he's either improved INCREDIBLY or he's simply playing above himself. Given a last-10 game ESSV% of .931, it would seem he's regressing to the mean a bit, and playing closer to what you should reasonably expect. In fairness, though, I think the last 2 games are having a major impact on the number, given 3GA/18S vs. Toronto and 3GA/8S vs. Pittsburgh.

All that to say: Both goalies have been outstanding this year behind their respective clubs (Ottawa missing key parts, Leafs having a terrible D and terrible coach). I believe Reimer is playing more to his "typical" self, while Anderson is due to regress a little bit, closer to his career numbers.

Feel free to offer your thoughts.

[Bouche]

I hate the leafs but only because most of their fans are obnoxious and live far from the place we know as reality. I do not understand how they got this jaded. Its a entertainment but leaf fans who otherwise are decent people turn ugly unlike any other fan base ive encountered. I used to think it was due to having Ballard as an owner but surely that sting has worn off.

You are mistaking our ugliness for passion my friend. We have the biggest fan base in the NHL.

"Its a entertainment but leaf fans who otherwise are decent people turn ugly unlike any other fan base ive encountered" What? LOL. Maybe you don't understand what it means to be a die hard fan.

[Bouche]

Clearly leafer math is not the same as the rest of the world. Andy is leading the league in the most important stats for a goalie. Your pro leafer arguments are using team stats as a measuring stick. Total wins are a team stat. Once again for the slow leafers.....total wins are a team stat.

Andy is doing great for the Sens. Thank goodness you have him or the sens would be at the bottom.

[jeffc]

Andy is doing great for the Sens. Thank goodness you have him or the sens would be at the bottom.

not really, we had a couple of excellent backups in Bishop (now gone) and Lehner who did very well for us when Andy was injured.