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03-20-2004 02:57 PM #1AndruGuest
TPC Sawgrass
Out of curiosity I checked the price of the TPC at saw grass. The course The players championship is played on every year.
Regular-Full Membership
$15,000 Initiation Fee Approx 20,000 CAD
$3,675 Annual Dues Approx. 4800 CAD
Member and Family pay no greens fee at TPC at Sawgrass.
Access to regular Locker Room.
Can bring up to one foursome to the TPC at Sawgrass; accompanied guests will receive 50% off current guest green fees.
TPC Network privileges.
30 Days in advance Starting Reservations.
Charge privileges.
Practice balls supplied.
Hunt Club 30K
Royal Ottawa 25K
Kanata Lakes 20K
Hmm I'm not sure where I'm going with this. It just stings a little to know for less money I could be playing a course the Pros consider the 5th major.
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03-20-2004 03:22 PM #2
The fact of the matter is that we pay a lot of money to play golf around here. By comparison, in Halifax I was a member at a course (Oakfield) that hosted two Canadian Amateurs. My wife and I paid no more in annual dues that I am paying at Manderley and Manderley is one of the most reasonably priced spots in this area. Someday someone can explain our regional pricing scheme to you and me, Andru. I can't wait to hear the explanation.
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03-20-2004 04:02 PM #3AndruGuestOriginally Posted by mpare
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03-20-2004 06:46 PM #4
Pricing seems fair enough, but from what I understand, Sawgrass is the type of course that can rapidly become "not-fun" to play on. They had that little deal with those two 5-6 handicappers on a mission to play all the PGA courses, and they seemed to blow up a few times. For me, that's too much course.
Looks damn gorgeous, but I'm sure there's better value out there for the mid-range handicapper out there.
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03-20-2004 11:30 PM #5AndruGuestOriginally Posted by broken27
I was just pointing out the fact that you can play a PGA quality course year round for less than one of the "Premier" Courses here in Ottawa for a short summer. I'm feeling bitter.
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03-20-2004 11:55 PM #6Originally Posted by Andru
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03-21-2004 12:21 AM #7AndruGuestOriginally Posted by broken27
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03-21-2004 12:24 AM #8Originally Posted by Andru
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03-21-2004 09:59 AM #9AndruGuestOriginally Posted by broken27
Problem is $$$ and would anyone pay 80 bucks to play there after the improvements.
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03-21-2004 01:33 PM #10
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Originally Posted by mpare
I personally find the golf options and prices good. The winter, that's another story...
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03-21-2004 05:18 PM #11
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Originally Posted by Andru
1) TPC Sawgrass benefits from having hundreds of green fee players per week paying US$300 plus untold hundreds on souvenirs at the Pro Shop... so memberships are heavily subsidised by green fee players.
2) The cost of high-end clubs in Ottawa is very reasonable when compared to Toronto and Montreal... e.g. $75K initiation for the Prestige ClubLink clubs in Toronto.
3) Three words : Supply and demand... if there wasn't anyone willing to pay big $ to join the Hunt and the Royal (which is now also at $30K init BTW), they would have to charge less. As it is, both clubs have lengthy waiting lists.
Good luck finding a place to play... unfortunately we don't have any TPCs around here... and we can't do much about winter
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03-21-2004 05:53 PM #12
Then you've got some clubs at the opposite end of the spectrum...
From the Bighorn Website http://www.bighorngolf.com:
BIGHORN Golf Club has established its reputation among the top private clubs in the United States. With a total commitment to exclusivity, only member and member-sponsored play is allowed. Membership at BIGHORN Golf Club is available only to BIGHORN property owners.
Club $50,000Provides use of Clubhouse, Spa & Fitness Center, dining and tennis facilities. No golf course access.
Individual Golf $200,000Individual, EQUITY membership, provides full use of two world-class golf courses and club facilities.
Dual Golf $325,000Member plus spouse EQUITY membership, provides full use of two world-class golf courses and club facilities
And checking out the prices of the housing at the same site, the cheapeast is just under 1.5M US for a lovely home, or 975K US for a simple lot, 1.895M US for a view lot!
Just pennies a day!It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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03-21-2004 07:55 PM #13AndruGuestOriginally Posted by redgun22
I get your point but it still stings. (TPC) So much more for less. Ah well. Either move or suck it up.
As far as comparing Hunt or the Royal to King Valley or Grey Stone? I don't know about that. But I get your point.
But you're right it's supply and demand. There's nothing I can do.
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03-21-2004 10:15 PM #14
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Originally Posted by mpare
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03-22-2004 07:39 AM #15
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Originally Posted by Andru
I wasn't comparing the quality of the courses... just the fact that they are among the best and most exclusive courses in their respective regions and thus will command premium $... and Ottawa premium $ are less than half of Toronto/Montreal premium $, so we don't have it too bad.
The best and most exclusive courses will always exact a premium... and if the courses/facilities are not good enough to satisfy the most discerning (and wealthy) golfers in the region, some enterprising person will build something better. That was the original plan for Eagle Creek - to become the "new" high-end private club in town. There were lots of factors, but I think that ultimately that didn't happen because it was too far from downtown to attract enough big $ members... which became good news for green fee golfers in this region!
While we don't have the big business barons or the population of Toronto or Montreal, Ottawa has more than it's fair share of affluent residents... and given that, I think that our green fees and membership rates are reasonable. But again, as you agreed, it all comes down to supply and demand...
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03-22-2004 04:10 PM #16AndruGuestOriginally Posted by redgun22
You're assuming the best in each region as equals. That was my point. They are not. Comparing a club in Toronto with approx the same entrance fee is more appropriate. If you're comparing return on the dollar. Which was the orignal context of this thread.
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03-22-2004 05:31 PM #17Originally Posted by powerlefty
You are correct about memberships. They are very steep here compared to the East coast. Supply and demand dictates the price range, as one other writer noted. As it is recent studies have shown that the number of rounds being played in decreasing. If that is so, then we may find that the prices may correspondingly drop as an inducement. Let's hope.
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03-22-2004 05:57 PM #18
I paid $70 for my round at Crowbush in 2000. A member of the club I played with payed $700 for his annual fee. He had a standing reservation at 7:00am every day.
Must be nice.
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03-22-2004 05:59 PM #19
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Originally Posted by mpare
Well, figure that out on supply and demand.
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03-22-2004 06:16 PM #20Originally Posted by Dan Kilbank
http://www.golfpei.ca/opening_dates.php
I don't know if it is for 2003/2004 or when, but it gives some approximation as Crowbush is listed at 80.00 on the page.It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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03-22-2004 07:05 PM #21AndruGuestOriginally Posted by Hanifi
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03-22-2004 09:33 PM #22
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Originally Posted by Andru
It makes no sense to me either, but apparently makes sence to them. IMO
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03-22-2004 10:08 PM #23Originally Posted by Hanifi
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03-22-2004 10:18 PM #24Originally Posted by mpareIt could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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03-22-2004 11:13 PM #25
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Originally Posted by Hanifi
A friend near Toronto, who owns 2 courses now, said his revenue isn't huge, its the investment in the land that pays off for him. When hes ready to retire, it will be a pricy piece of land.
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03-23-2004 12:03 AM #26Originally Posted by Deep Woods
For a golf course, the breaking point would be where daily fee golfers weren't ready to play your course to make up for relatively discounted membership costs. The whole while, you keep in mind that the more people using your facilities means more money spent on upkeep. Beer sales etc could offset that as well, I suppose....
My point is that the whole thing is probably far more or less complex than we'd likely imagine. So many factors.
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03-23-2004 12:05 PM #27
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Originally Posted by broken27
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03-23-2004 03:14 PM #28Originally Posted by AndruStrive for perfection, but never expect it!
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03-23-2004 06:17 PM #29AndruGuestOriginally Posted by mberube
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03-24-2004 11:43 AM #30Originally Posted by Deep Woods
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