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03-31-2007 09:46 AM #1
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Is this cheating?
A player signs his scorecard indicating that his hole by hole score is correct. His correct score is 76. The committee adds the hole by hole up incorrectly and his score is 73. The 73 is posted on large score sheets from which the prize list is determined.
The prizes are presented, and he accepts his for the "73."
If the player accepts the prize when his "73" is called, without previously knowing of the committee error, is he cheating?
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03-31-2007 09:52 AM #2
I can't wait to hear the correct answer on this one. Personally, I would think that the player has completed his due diligence when he signs the correct score card and then hands it over to the committee. The committee has made the mistake. Is the player cheating? I say NO, is he being less than honest and a poor sportsman ABSOLUTELY.
Great scenario and question!!
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03-31-2007 09:58 AM #3
we;; not cheating, he signed his card for a 76,
the results though are false and would have to reviewed and adjusted i woudl assume
but you are not cheating if you do everythign right
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03-31-2007 10:00 AM #4
DQ'd for signing an incorrect scorecard...?
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03-31-2007 10:17 AM #5
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03-31-2007 10:27 AM #6
but according to post, he signed a correct card, both hole by hoel and total score.
the comitte added it up wrong after the card is signed and entered. player ios finished with his rterspoinsibilty at that point,
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03-31-2007 10:29 AM #7
Ah.. I didn't realize the committe made the mistake.. hmm
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03-31-2007 01:15 PM #8
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Further to my first scenario, let's say that the golfer saw the incorrect score on the score sheet and did not report the mistake to the committee. Would this make any difference?
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05-09-2007 10:03 PM #9
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Not responsible for addition
I have always been under the impression the golfer is only responsible for the scores on the holes, not the addition. So if all the holes are marked correctly he cannot be DQ'd. That being said what golfer does NOT know his final score or score at ANY time during a round? Therefore while not cheating I would say he is in violation of the 7th Commandment. (Thou Shalt NOT steal!)
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05-09-2007 10:54 PM #10
Hmmm....I've always heard that the player is responsible for signing his card that states the correct score on each hole AND the total. If he adds his score for the 18 holes and marks it in the total, then he signs, he is signing for the entire card, not just hole by hole. If he's marked the 76 in there, he is responsible for the correct addition in my eyes.
As for the committee making an error....Well that's not the responsibility of the player. He's done his due diligence by signing the card with the correct score, however, I'd hope he has enough common sense or decency to inform them of their mistake.
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05-10-2007 03:42 AM #11
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The player is only responsible for recording the correct gross score for each hole. See Rule 6-6d
He is not responsible for the total.
The Committee is responsible for the addition and application of the handicap recorded on the scorecard.
See the note to Rule 6-6d
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05-10-2007 08:17 AM #12
There is an overriding principle of equity that operates in golf. A player who knowingly took advantage of the committee's addition error is neither honourable nor acting equitably. Under those circumstances, the individual should be DQ'd from the tournament, even if it's retroactive. One thing's for sure. If I were the tournament organizer, he would never be allowed into the tournament again.
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05-11-2007 10:02 AM #13
If this was a tournament, wouldn't another player mark your scores down and both would be responsible for signing the card?
I really hope someone would speak up and say something otherwise you risk you reputation.
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