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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Johnny69 View Post
    Each team uses their own balls on offense.
    WOW! Probably the wealthiest sports league on the planet and they make the teams supply the game balls and look after them. How stupid is that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by justsomeguy View Post
    WOW! Probably the wealthiest sports league on the planet and they make the teams supply the game balls and look after them. How stupid is that!
    It was likely to prevent this sort of thing in the first place. The home team could play with the ball pressures and provide a different pressured ball depending on if it was on offense or defense.

    That the Pats would delate their balls between the original inspection and the start of the game never likely was thought of as a possibility.

    The refs should be checking the ball pressure more than just at the start of the game and likely will now, especially for the Pats; who now seem to have had more than one complaint.

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    Cheating or what you can get away with???
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    In the NFL, cheaters do prosper. And, hey! Stop snickering at the Patriots!
    They might not even be the worst offenders. Or, at least, not lone offenders.
    In the past three seasons, the top teams in the league — Seattle, New England, Denver and Baltimore — have all been at, or near the league lead in penalties.
    And, the worst of these have been the Seahawks. It’s not even close.
    The Seahawks, since the arrival of Pete Carroll as coach, have a well-earned reputation for pushing the envelope to the point that one general manager was heard to muse that if his team was allowed to play the same way, they could lead the league in defence, too. Seattle punishes receivers on every play — they pummell, manhandle and frustrate. On offence, they crowd the line of scrimmage, they grab defenders and they let the flags fall where they may — the theory being that officials won’t call every infraction.
    In fact, many in the league will argue, they hardly call enough.
    Officials penalized Seattle for a league-high 144 infractions this seaon. But whatever the Seahawks are doing wrong, they simply keep doing it — and, winning with it. Since 2012, they’re tied for the most wins in the NFL (36), most Super Bowl appearances and ... misbehavin’.
    They have thumbed their noses at convention, pretty much put a lie to the theory that success comes by eliminating penalties. The best team in the league has been penalized 416 times the past three seasons. They play with a swagger, virtually daring officials to pull out their hanky. Play. After play. After play.
    Seattle cornerback Richard Sherman even went on a NBC TV program last year, displaying to a teammate, his techniques for concealing illegal contact. They thrive with a dictum that says rules are made to be stretched and fragmented. Former NFL official Mike Pereira once explained the Seattle approach this way: “They look at it and say, ‘We may get called for one, but not 10.’”
    So aggressive teams like the Seahawks, Pereira said, test officials early to see what they can get away with on any given day. Football is aggression, speed and a hint of malevolence and Seattle uses all three to wear down not just opponents, but also officials. It’s a game the Patriots aren’t unfamiliar with themselves.
    They, too, took a road to the Super Bowl while treating the rulebook like Canadians treat speed limit signs; As suggestions. And, hardly, as law. New England ranked fourth in the NFL in penalties and cornerback Brandon Browner, as a graduate of the Legion of Boom, considers penalty flags as an occupational hazard , best ignored.
    So, does a walk on the bad side, pay?
    Consider this. The Jaguars were the most sportsmanlike team in football, committing just 73 penalties. All it got them was three wins, booed, ignored — and a front-row seat for Sunday’s game. On the mancave couch. You figure it out.
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    I think there is a difference between infractions and transgressions...
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    Both against the rules....
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    As I posted elsewhere, if this latest story is true, then ESPN's initial story was wrong. The problem with rushing to judgment before the confirmed facts are in is that it may leave the "judge" with egg on his or her face. I can't wait for the official report to be released. At least the we'll have confirmed facts to consider.

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    The official report is released, and Belichick is cleared, so is Kraft, but it looks like Brady is taking some heat for it, may face disciplinary action?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakuraba View Post
    The official report is released, and Belichick is cleared, so is Kraft, but it looks like Brady is taking some heat for it, may face disciplinary action?
    Not so fast. Yes, they were not identified as being active participants but the Patriots personnel was found to be involved and ultimately management has the responsibility for its employees actions. There likely will be and should be a penalty of some kind. I just think it coincidence that the report comes out only after the NFL draft. Here is a portion of the report:

    For the reasons described in this Report, and after a comprehensive investigation, we have concluded that, in connection with the AFC Championship Game, it is more probable
    than not that New England Patriots personnel participated in violations of the Playing Rules and were involved in a deliberate effort to circumvent the rules. In particular, we have concluded that it is more probable than not that Jim McNally (the Officials Locker Room attendant for the Patriots) and John Jastremski (an equipment assistant for the Patriots) participated in a deliberate effort to release air from Patriots game balls after the balls were examined by the referee. Base on the evidence, it also is our view that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady (the quarterback for the Patriots) was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls.

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    Those findings and Brady's and the team's unwillingness to fully cooperate with the league in the investigation has netted them serious penalties. The 4 game suspension for Brady seems excessive to me, but I doubt that it will be reduced on appeal. For the team, their million dollar fine and their loss of two draft picks cannot be appealed. If you cheat, then you should expect to be penalized.

    Quote Originally Posted by zee51 View Post
    Not so fast. Yes, they were not identified as being active participants but the Patriots personnel was found to be involved and ultimately management has the responsibility for its employees actions. There likely will be and should be a penalty of some kind. I just think it coincidence that the report comes out only after the NFL draft. Here is a portion of the report:

    For the reasons described in this Report, and after a comprehensive investigation, we have concluded that, in connection with the AFC Championship Game, it is more probable
    than not that New England Patriots personnel participated in violations of the Playing Rules and were involved in a deliberate effort to circumvent the rules. In particular, we have concluded that it is more probable than not that Jim McNally (the Officials Locker Room attendant for the Patriots) and John Jastremski (an equipment assistant for the Patriots) participated in a deliberate effort to release air from Patriots game balls after the balls were examined by the referee. Base on the evidence, it also is our view that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady (the quarterback for the Patriots) was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpare View Post
    Those findings and Brady's and the team's unwillingness to fully cooperate with the league in the investigation has netted them serious penalties. The 4 game suspension for Brady seems excessive to me, but I doubt that it will be reduced on appeal. For the team, their million dollar fine and their loss of two draft picks cannot be appealed. If you cheat, then you should expect to be penalized.
    As a lawyer, I'm sure you can appreciate that the term "more probable than not" means that in a civil case Brady would lose based on the "balance on probabilities" but in a criminal case he would be acquitted because guilt has not been proven "beyond reasonable doubt". I don't think the NFL has to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, so I agree that the suspension is unlikely to be reduced.

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