Bogolf - New Camera based simulator?

[bubba22]

Anybody hear of Bogolf simulators? Just sent out an email and waiting for reply. I am sure there will be new sim companies starting especially with the decreasing cost of high speed cameras. I suspect that the camera based units will replace the optical sensor based units in the future as the price gets lower and lower. Not much info on their website.
http://www.bogolf.com/

[ZMax]

Anybody hear of Bogolf simulators? Just sent out an email and waiting for reply. I am sure there will be new sim companies starting especially with the decreasing cost of high speed cameras. I suspect that the camera based units will replace the optical sensor based units in the future as the price gets lower and lower. Not much info on their website.
http://www.bogolf.com/

Looks like it's geared towards golf course owners. $6000 is not bad but is one camera enough?

I've been looking at the ProTee and I like it. The sensor measures everything about the club, including angle of attack. It also measures the ball, but I'm not certain how it does that. No mention of LA camera. GSA courses. Don't know about the quality of the integration, but the demo of their software looked pretty good.

[bubba22]

I agree about the Bogolf. I think you would need at least 2 cameras to measure the club and the ball. Still a new company that needs more info to allow users to make an informed choice. The home users of golf sims have really become better educated about the perticulars of the sims today.

I think the ProTee may be my next sim. It has both ball and club sensors and they are developing a camera based launch add on that will be out very soon in the next month. It will use the ps3eye webcam at 120 fps to capture the launch angle and feed that into the system. The sim uses the custom play courses which are essentially the GSA courses that I like and the interface looks well established. It really looks complete.

[ZMax]

I think the ProTee may be my next sim. It has both ball and club sensors and they are developing a camera based launch add on that will be out very soon in the next month. It will use the ps3eye webcam at 120 fps to capture the launch angle and feed that into the system. The sim uses the custom play courses which are essentially the GSA courses that I like and the interface looks well established. It really looks complete.

Are you beta testing the launch camera?

I also read somewhere that you can design your own golf course for the custom play software. Is that true? That would very cool.

[bubba22]

No beta testing. Not sure about the courses designing but will find out.

[syhlif32]

For me it looks like the Bogolf is just measuring the LA and the ball speed to calculate the ball path.
But nice graphics!

[bubba22]

It looks like they have 1, 2 and 3 camera options. I suspect the 3 camera option measures club, ball and launch as the 3 cameras. More info needed on the website for sure.

[dmartyna]

I just got a quote for 3 high speed cameras, one Light Box, one Bogolf Operating Software with 50 golf courses at US$9,800.00 FOB Hong Kong Still seems the PX5 at 6K is a bargain.

[bubba22]

I just got a quote for 3 high speed cameras, one Light Box, one Bogolf Operating Software with 50 golf courses at US$9,800.00 FOB Hong Kong Still seems the PX5 at 6K is a bargain.

Boggle need more reviews. The system is probably ok and is certainly cheaper than the Sportscoach however it is always nice to have a local distributor in case it breaks down. There are other options that are cheaper and better reviewed.

[ZMax]

Ask them what measurements the 3 cameras gets you. I'm guessing ball LA, ball speed, ball path, and spin. It's all you really need for an accurate simulator, but club data would be nice for working on your swing.

[blackfire]

well I think it's the martin's camera with read chain software renamed like foregolf is the sportscoatch camera system and software renamed

if you look at the image of the camera from martin and the one from bogolf they look the same. And the software look's exactly like read chain

[bubba22]

I persaonally think it is overpriced.

[blackfire]

like Martin's CAM price

[dmartyna]

So what is the verdict? If you guys were starting from scratch what sim would you purchase.

[bubba22]

Very loaded question. It depends on what you want from a sim, how much money you want to spend, space requirements at home, sim for righties and lefties, club/ball measurements or both etc. Give us an idea of these things and we can better give you a suggestion.

[dmartyna]

What!? You can't read my Mind!! Ok, so what I have in mind is the PX5 system which goes for $5999. It is going to be put in a vacant room in my house that we are currently renovating. I don't have any real space restrictions and doesn't really matter if it can't handle lefties. From what I understand without club measurement most systems don't have ball spin so club measurement is important. I don't want to mark my clubs. I want to be able to putt.

[bubba22]

Good choice. I would get a ProTee or GSA system. The PX5 is a good choice.

[dmartyna]

This is getting away from this thread a bit and I apologize. I like the camera system for ball launch, I think it is more accurate and I think the PX5 is a bit less expensive and better software support.

[bubba22]

This is getting away from this thread a bit and I apologize. I like the camera system for ball launch, I think it is more accurate and I think the PX5 is a bit less expensive and better software support.

What are you comparing to, the BoGolf, ProTee?

[dmartyna]

comparing it to the ProTee.

[bubba22]

comparing it to the ProTee.

The ProTee is similair the PX2 with a built in ball sensor and a few other changes. The technology is similair shadow based. The companies were together at one time and parted ways. The ProTee will very soon have a camera based launch add on and I suspect camera ball sensor as well at some point. GSA does have more camera options at this point and a wider array of products. I think the support for both is good. I can attest that the support for ProTee is fantastic and Z will probably agree the same for GSA. Both sims are good and I would go for the one that you can get the best deal as prices seem to change on a daily basis. Both are constantly upgrading and committed to future improvements.

[ZMax]

Well said bubb22. I couldn't agree more.

Personally, being a techie, I prefer the GGS system. IMO, it's a more flexible system than the Protee.

Protee's LA cam is currently being worked on and they will get it done. They have to if they want to compete in this business. As bubba22 said, they might have it done soon.

But if you want something now, the PX5 at $6000 is hard to beat. Actually, I can't think of any system out there that has the same capabilities and accuracy at the price range. I'll take the PX5 over the $50K about golf any day.

[bubba22]

Well said bubb22. I couldn't agree more.

Personally, being a techie, I prefer the GGS system. IMO, it's a more flexible system than the Protee.

Protee's LA cam is currently being worked on and they will get it done. They have to if they want to compete in this business. As bubba22 said, they might have it done soon.

But if you want something now, the PX5 at $6000 is hard to beat. Actually, I can't think of any system out there that has the same capabilities and accuracy at the price range. I'll take the PX5 over the $50K about golf any day.

Exactly Z. the GSA has a lot of options for techie people and for those that want plug n play as well. The biggest knock against them has been the support but I would argue against that now. The ProTee has less options but are adding the cam option soon. The support for ProTee has been outstanding. For the pricepoint, compared to the $50,000 units These systems are unbelievable.

[blackfire]

The protee and GSA SIM are verry good for the price like bubba and ZMax said. But the greatest thing about them is that they're improving all the time and they listen to your need's. If you ask for something and that it's doable then they will do it.

[hula73]

Fyi here is the email quote i got for their high end model:

Thank you for your communication and apologies for the delay over the weekend.

Your latest email asks for -
1 Simulator Booth Dimensions - 'space' and
2 Price information.

Bogolf note that your planned new house basement has 2500 sq. ft.

Our recommendation is the 3000 Model Simulator (three high speed cameras) with a panoramic screen to take full advantage of your space availability.

The panoramic screen will offer a 3 dimensional ' wrap around' experience increasing the fun and pleasurable effects of Bogolf's unparalleled graphics.

1 3000 Model Simulator Booth Dimensions

Standard Requirement - 4.5 M Wide x 7/8 M Length x 3 M High
(15FT Wide x 23/26 Length x 10 High)

I looked more carefully at your requirements and have the following observations:

For the round screen, we recommend a screen width of approximately 4.5 Meters to 6.0 Meters.
Room Depth (Length) 7 - 8 Meters is acceptable.
If you have this length, or more, you can customise with seating area, a bar + catering and so on.
Ceiling Height, after booth installation should be 3 - 3.1 Meters.

Note

At these dimensions, you will need to consult your local Projector provider for custom information on your projector requirement.

Using a normal screen requires an ANSI 4000 minimum projector. However to achieve the best graphical presentation you may require up to ANSI 7000 based on your distance from the screen.

Please discuss this requirement with your local projector specialist who can advise you of the optimum projector screen distance to achieve the desired high quality panoramic visual effect

In due course, please advise us regarding your selected dimensions.

2 Price

PRICE: $15,000 US FOB HK

This is our basic supply – optional items can be discussed.

This price is 50% of comparable systems on the market.

3 Specification/Operating System

Bogolf recommend and will supply you with our Model 3000 Simulator using Panoramic Screen software:

Our supply: 1 operating system, software (including for our unique Panoramic Screen), and 50 international and local courses ready to play:

3 high speed cameras
3 USB cables
1 light box
2 screens (one can be washed at any time)

Your supply: 1 computer based on our specification, projector and playing booth.
Comments: Bogolf ask you to supply these items to avail yourself of the
LOCAL service in event of hardware breakdown.

Computer Specification for 3D Super 3 Camera System:

Processor : Core Quad and above
RAM : 4GB-DDR3 and above
HARDDISK : 500 GB and above
PCI Card : NVIDIA GeForce 9800 and above

Projector: ANSI 4000 minimum (with 1 Keystone Lens Shift) + 1 HDMI cable

Both computer and projector are readily available in the US.


Booth: Bogolf ask you to supply the above because you can design, install, and achieve
your own unique facility with price control.

Comment: If you require additional help or supply, Bogolf can look at it in due course.

Installation of Operating System Hardware (after Booth set up)

Cameras and Light Box installation should not take more than 3 (4 hours)

Bogolf will supply necessary schematics.

4 Installation of Operating Software and Courses

Following payment and when you are ready to test/play, Bogolf will give you a unique
Identity and Password allowing you to receive remotely our operating system
software via an email attachment.
The software installation is step by step following normal computer software
installation procedure.

5 Post Installation Service

Bogolf is able to, remotely, monitor software performance and give you upgrades via
our international remote server service

Bogolf expects to have LOCAL distributors in place in the USA soon to meet our 1 year
warranty requirements.

6 Shipping

Bogolf will ship the agreed items FOB from our international shipping center in Hong
Kong.

[ZMax]

Thanks hula73,

$15K is lot of money. This appears to be an all camera system as there is no club sensor mat. I'll guess that the first two cameras are for LA and ball path, and the third would have to be spin. Cory should be able to shine some light on these cameras after his visit to Bo golf.

Also, the courses look similar to GPS courses that are offered with Golftek or Sportscoach.

[hula73]

I agree Zmax ...just thought i would post for peeps

[Par2Pro]

Hey All,

Wow, it has been rather crazy getting ready for the indoor golf season and testing & development is still going on!

For BoGolf I went to San Fransisco to test out the system, but unfortunately something came up and they were unable to show me the system.

I have agreed to set one up in my upcoming demo center and have everyone try it out there. It is on order now and I hope to have it installed in early October.

The price is higher due to the accuracy, and as said before, Accuracy is King!

As soon as it is up and tested I will post the review here first

If anyone has questions, feel free to contact me at any time by email at cory@par2pro.com.

Keep your eye on the ball,
Cory

PS: I am trying to write & post my review of ProTee in the ProTee forum today (it may be short and sweet so that I can ensure I have enough time for those emailing and phoning me )

[ZMax]

Hey Cory,

What about the cameras? Is one of them used for spin? How does it work?

[Par2Pro]

Hey Zmax,

I will need to test it out before I can confirm it; however I believe that spin is based a the measurements from all three cameras.

Cheers,
Cory