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05-08-2004 09:43 PM #1Originally Posted by mmason31
I have heard that Clublink wants to get another 2-3 courses in the Ottawa area and at the AGM, they said that they will not be building. I know that they have had discussions with a number of courses in the area, most noticably Stonebridge, Eagle Creek, and an "Equity-owned club just east of Orleans" that the Clublink guy wouldn't name, but it's pretty easy to figure out. The whole Clublink principle is based on reciprocal play. If they don't have courses in the area, where would you reciprocal play at?It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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05-09-2004 07:05 AM #2
I feel that Clublink's buying up of the majority of the higher end public courses is a real problem for this region. If they build new courses, all the power to them, but I really do not like the loss of top public courses.
It is really going to be a shame if I cannot play Stonebridge or Eagle Creek without being invited.
I for one cannot, and probably will not ever, be able to affords a $16,000 initiation fee and $3500 per year for golf. If I did part with that much c*****$h and could not get a tee time on men's night because the other 200 registered league players beat me to it, I'd be pretty upset. How can they really expect to put 200 players out on the course for men's night? 10 minute tee times = 500 minutes = 8.3 hours. Sounds more like "men's day" to me.
Club Link is pretty greedy. They want all the best courses, a fortune in fees, and saturated memberships. I am amazed that there is a market to support this in this area. "The initiation for Greyhawk is 9,500 right now, will be 11,500 in June and according to the membership group, close to 16K by winter." They will continue to jack the price of initiation as high as they can get away with, as fast as possible. To me that is the definition of greed. The highest initiation at Club Link is $75,000. Unbelievable.
$2500 dues per year at Predator right now. National Pines is an initiation fee of $16k and the anual dues is $3500. I wonder if they will jack up the annual dues by 50% next year. When they finally go past what a member can afford, the member will be forced to drop out, and these are non-equity memberships, so kiss your initiation fee bye-bye.
I treat these all as rumours, since they come up every year. Until the deal is done, it can fall through. One thing is certain, ClubLink wants to buy these courses. I heard a rumour that the offer made to Eagle Creek was well shy of the asking price. They also never met the price asked for Emerald Links.
Is this the shape of things to come? Is Club Link going to eventually own the majority of the better courses? I sure hope not.
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05-09-2004 10:09 AM #3Originally Posted by Dan Kilbank
Originally Posted by Dan Kilbank
Originally Posted by Dan Kilbank
Manderley and the Meadows are almost $40.00 for a Friday, Saturday and Sunday, Emerald Links is $46 on weekends, Nation is $45, and Falcon Ridge is $35 with no clubhouse! Do you play Nation for $45, Loch March for $55, Stonebridge for $65, or Eagle Creek for $75? Where does that stop? I remember playing Manderley on the weekends a couple of years ago and thought $30 was outrageous! Stonebridge when they first started wanted to charge $65 and people thought that was insane! The Marshes comes along and charges $100 and forces people to take a cart! Blasphemy!
But where does it end? At some point, things reach a saturation point for a number of reasons. Has Clublink sucked a number of the high-end golfers out of the system here in town? Last time I was at Eagle Creek, there were maybe 20 cars in the parking lot. Are their numbers down? If they are, how long can Andre keep things running properly with reduced usage? Will courses price themselves so high golfers won't go because they can't afford those courses? Does everyone start to play Pineview? Maybe it's the result of layoffs in the high tech sector finally affecting the region, people aren't making the $$$ anymore, so don't play as much golf especially at the high-end courses.
Do I have an insight? Who knows, these are just my observations from listening around the tables at a number of clubs, talking to some pros, and doing some reading. In any respect, the next few years will be as interesting as the last. For better or for worse, I do believe that we will still be golfing.It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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05-10-2004 12:00 PM #4
These are persistent rumours and as they say where there is smoke....
It doesn't take a rocket scientist (or a marketing expert) to figure out that Clublink needs representation in the south of Ottawa. They've got the north, east and west covered. And if they are not building new courses the list is pretty short - Stonebridge or Emerald Links. Clublink has approached both. SB is the obvious choice given the relationship that Clublink has with Monarch and the fact that Monarch is on record saying they do not want to be in the golf course management business - the course is purely a marketing tool to sell homes and is not their core business. IMO, it is a matter of when, not if.
I would like to see this happen - the only reason I'm not a member at Greyhawk is the 40 minute drive from my house. My only fear is that the SB initiation will likely start in the 10K+ range with yearly dues in the $3K range. Man, I better start saving up my empties.
As for Clublink absorbing current SB season pass holders with no initiation? No way that would happen.If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
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