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Bad move by Calgary. Just because you're in a slump you don't trade away a franchise defenceman and a young start like Phanuef.
Great trade for the Leafs - with more to come?
Does Brian Burke not WANT to score? I suppose it's never a bad move when you can pick up a D-man like Phaneuf, but they already have a pile of D-men, and have picked up NO offense to speak of.
Hate to see the flames get rid of Phaneuf and not get a bona fide player in return. I knew he was on the trading block, but to pick up Matt Stajan in return is just not good enough. For a proven d-man you need to be getting a proven scorer.
was alot said about Phanuef having problems in Calgary. Not suprised to see him go, but IMO Toronto just got alot worse. there goes any offense they had. White was the only player the leafs had that I didnt mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbleber
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Originally Posted by Chucker
not really sure what more they can do!? Ponikarovski or Kaberle is all they have left, not going to get much back. Maybe a little more for Kaberle but there goes all the offense TO has if he gets traded. Would not surprse me to see Burke go after Kovalchuk and give up any young talent they have left to get him.
rumour has it Toskola for JS Giguere.
Stajan, White, and Hagman. Hagman has 20 goals this year, he's quite a serviceable player, especially for a team that can't score.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonf
Burke must not be done giving away all those goals and getting nothing in return. Must be more to come.
That was a Great Trade for the Leafs...and it sucks for me...I love Dion Phaneuf and hate the Leafs...Had a great night out with Dion in Toronto few years ago....Taught that young fellow all about redbull and vodka that night...he showed me what it was like to be a young stud in the NHL that night...You would not believe the "Ladies" after him that night..heck I was there and still have a hard time with it....Let's just say the talent level was of the Gold Medal type..What a night....
What a trade for the leafs...I guess that flames needed cap space as they will need more help and had no room left to do it..They will make another move or two...
Cheers,
I would doubt that he goes after Kovalchuk..Just looking at how he has gone about building in the past...He will be looking for a Power Forward to play with Kessel....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattchew
What about Blake? I'm sure he would be more than happy to try and move that guy as well. Not sure what would come back. I was surprised he was not in the Phanuef trade when I went to read about it..
Another rumor : Is Campbell of Chicago going to Montreal for one of the two young goalies..They will not win with Huet and believe either one of those two goalies playing with the Chicago Team in front of them will be a up grade..Plus they need cap space...I think this would be a Great trade for both teams...Chicago was caught by how good Kieth and Seebrooke are and feel Campbell can be moved at this time...Montreal will stop the BS that floating around by moving either goalie...I think they should keep Price...but either might be good for them..
Cheers,
Confirmed. Toskala and Blake for Giguerre.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffc
I'll give Burke credit at least he is making moves and not just sitting by watching the ship sink. Not sure how much Giguerre has left in him but at least they didn't give up much.
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Originally Posted by LobWedge
what are your thoughts about all this Rich? Happy?
Definitely. Toskala and Blake have been major disappointments for the Leafs. Giguerre is older, but he's still a great goalie. Gustavsson will learn a lot from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattchew
As far as Phaneuf goes, I like this deal too. He's young and gives them elements of Komisarek, Beauchemin, and White all in one player. Not surprised to see White go the other way because they already have a puck-mover in Kaberle. Stajan's days were numbered in Toronto regardless of how well he was playing this year. He'll be no higher than a 3rd liner in Calgary, which is where he should have been in Toronto, IMO.
People are saying that they've created holes up front by losing Blake and Hagman, but I see this as an opportunity for kids like Stalberg, Bozak, and Hanson to get more minutes with the big club.
I'm a patient man. I know it's rebuilding mode, but Burke has made better deals in one year than the organization has in the last 15.
Well, I'm definitely impressed by your optimism. And, you're right...it's not like the loss of Stajan & co. means you're losing a massive scoring punch. But, they've trade 45 goals for 12, and have no real assets with which to improve up front. I know Burke loves his teams big and bruising, but he seems to have forgotten completely about the front half. I don't actually know how the Leafs would go about adding scoring up front. They have no picks to speak of, and their defensive 'assets' have all been devalued by a year playing for a terrible defensive team. Burke must have some kind of vision for the future, but I really can't see it being anything more than 21 defenceman and Phil Kessel.Quote:
Originally Posted by LobWedge
Work in progress Jon. I'm by no means "planning the parade route", as so many are quick to pipe in whenever the Leafs make any kind of move. Brian Burke has been the only guy in the last 15-20 years that's had the balls to call out the team on a regular basis and say they suck. If he can get defensive players and goalies, I'm certain he can get guys up front as well. As he said earlier today, he's not done yet, and they're still open for business. I'm fine with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonf
p.s. Now I'm even more excited that I got tickets for March 6th. :-)
he could have traded stajan for ilya kovulchuck and you would have found something wrong with the trade. i don't think I've ever hear you happy with a trade ever lol
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Originally Posted by jonf
I'm ecstatic with this trade! Its going to keep the leafs in the basement even longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by sillywilly
perhaps, but once they get out they will climb fastQuote:
Originally Posted by jonf
If you're a Leafs fan, optimism is your only option. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by jonf
Wow...so you're one of those guys who can see things 20 years before they happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by sillywilly
i'm a sens fan, I hate the leafs. But I also know the value of a 24yr old D-man. They got him for nothing. they gave away a bag of pucks for him. he is a tremendous talent. i kinda wish the sens had gotten him.
Like I said, adding a guy like Phaneuf is a good thing, but you have to look at the specific needs of your team. The last thing the Leafs need right now is another D-man with an inflated salary, especially when they have great difficulty scoring, AND lost 80 points off their roster to pick him up. They have no cap room, no picks, few tradeable assets, and a LOT of changes needed.
If I had to summarize this trade...it's a lose-lose situation. Calgary has shipped away a good defensemen, and failed to get the legitimate top 6 forward that they need. Toronto got a defenceman they didn't need, and lost a third of their scoring.
After Burke's 2nd trade the only points his team will get are from his D, they can't win without someone to score the puck what was he thinking???
Burke is an over-rated idiot IMO.
I'm not sure about Calgary losing in this situation. They still have a pretty solid defense core with Bouwmeester and Regehr. And Giordano has stepped it up this year and has really improved. Phaneuf's attitude since he was left off of the Canadian Olympic Roster has been really poor, and he really hasn't played up to his normal standards. Also having Kiprusoff in nets also helps...Quote:
Originally Posted by jonf
The building of team goon continues.
rearranging the deck on the titanic, for all 3 teams.
the only way Calgary, Anaheim, or Toronto win in any of these trades is IF the players they acquired perform better with their new teams than they did with their old teams. i dont see how going to Toronto will make Phaneuf or Giguerre better. But i do think that White, Hagman, and Stajan will play better in Calgary than they did in Toronto. Calgary has a solid goalie, good leadership, and a solid defense. Now they added some scoring; soo for now, I think Calgary won the trade. Anaheim didnt get any better with their trade. Toronto has the possibility of being better through these trades, or they can get worse due to trading away 3 of their top 5 scorers.