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ok, you know how people use the flagstick sitting on the green to practise their stroke a bit while waiting on the green?
Assuming the pin is just sitting there, am i allowed to use it as a "putting aid", putting along it to keep my stroke straight?
I know your not allowed using ACTUAL traning devices during a round, but this is just a flagstick sitting there.
I don't know about an official ruling, but my guess would be no. I mean are you asking if you can put the flagstick right beside you on the same line as your putt?
Like if player A was putting/preshot routine and watnot, and then player B is off to the side using the stick to keep his stroke straight.
We (a few of us players and our jr tour organizer) were talking about it (i brought it up as a parent questioned me about me doing it during our round) and we all figured there was no penalty or anything as it is not an "outside agency", it is something used in play and not actually purposed to be a training aid.
There are etiquette and rules issues galore. There are some people who would want to shoot you if you were practicing while they were in their "putting/preshot routine".Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandpiper3
You just simply cannot and should not do it.
Mike
If no ball is used, he's just swinging a putter along the flagstick line. No rules violation, but very poor ettiquite to be moving at all while someone is putting.
Interesting and true. I guess I might have mis-read the first post where the poster wrote that he was "putting along it" (it being the pin lying on the green), interpreting that as meaning that a ball WAS involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Kilbank
The bottom line is that whether a ball is being used or not, we agree that nothing of the sort ought to be done when someone is putting.
Mike
I didnt mean it when someone is putting, this isnt a etiquette thing. I meant without a ball. I should have said "when player A is lining up his putt" or watever.
"when player A is lining up his putt" Player B should stand still and watch.
No penalty for being inconsiderate and lacking in ettiquite, except that playing partners will be harder to find.
Practice putting on the practice green.
When someone is putting players should stand well in front of the player putting or well behind them. Often, the flagstick is placed on the collar of the green. If one of the players uses the flagstick, with his back to the other player's back, there is no chance that he would be disturbed and etiquette in NOT breached. Is this not similar to a player making a few practice strokes while another is putting, as long as the other is completely out of vision? Whether the flagstick is actually being used is irrelevant.
Players standing on the tee while another is driving, from the down the line view, "to see where the ball goes" is a greater breach of golf etiquette, than a couple of practice strokes, out of view, on the putting green. And yet, don't most stand there?
It bothers me when someone who is putting on a similar line to mine stand behind my ball line to get a read. I am pretty sure it is a rule violation but in a friendly game I am hesitant to tell them to move.
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Originally Posted by leftylucas
Rule 14-2 prohibits your caddie, partner, or partner's caddie from standing on or close to the line of play during the stroke. You see this a lot on the tours where the caddies line the player up and then move away before the stroke is made. Once the stroke is made though you can certainly move in to see the break.
There's no rule against a competitor doing it, although it is bad etiquette it it bothers you.
That being said, if where they are standing bothers you, just ask them to move. I've asked and been asked before. Usually it's because the offending person doesn't think they are in the way or have just zoned out.
I agree, just that it was obvious that the guy wanted to see the line and even told me "Hey, I get to see the break from your ball" and proceeded to stand directly behind me. I thought I would seem like a jerk if I then told him to move so I went ahead and putted. Next time I will definitetly tell the guy to move away.
holy ****...... way to welcome a new member..... im not stupid, this wasnt about etiquette at all, but you guys dont seem to know how to answer a question straight.... gaahhh....
Your question wasn't 100% clear which lead to a couple of answers, clarification by you, and then some other answers.
Those raised other questions, which were also answered.
As to your etiquette comment, you are aware that you can be disqualified for a serious breach of etiquette right? If you were in a tournament and you practiced with the flag after your competitors asked you to stop it you could be DQ'd so it is relevant. Not saying that you in particular wouldn't stop, but I'm sure that there are some who wouldn't.
ive been playing golf for 6 years, and playing jr tournaments for 3, i know wat etiquette is and how to abide by it, its not that hard and kinda implied, hence y i figured you boys would understand and be able to answer my actual question. But i guess not, kinda insulting when i ask a question about putting with a flagstick and you guys jump down my throat about etiquette as if ive never golfed before
Not sure I understand your objection to the answers. We were not trying to pile on you, just answer your qusetions and clarify the grey areas.
It is OK by the rules to do as you ask, without a ball, but not OK etiquette wise.