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Earnest Sports ES14 Launch Monitor for only $499.
Listen to this according to their twitter-
"You can expect more stats to improve your game: spin rate, smash factor, club speed & launch angle!"
Picture: http://www.equip2golf.com/wordpress/...-demo-day2.jpg
THIS FOR REAL?? :wide-eyed
Saw it at the show at the end of the day and got the brochure, but will find out more tomorrow - wondering what is directly measured and what is calculated. Will try to post a video tomorrow night :)
Yes, big important questions: measured vs calculated! Very interesting...
People Listen UP!!!
Just talked to them! It actually measures Launch Angle and ball spin!!!!!
Only going to cost $450!!
:scratchch :faint: :book :wallbash :biting: :-)
May I ask how you contacted them? Email? FB? Twitter?
I wonder if they would be able to measure spin axis. If they are using a similar tech to flightscope/trackman, this would have to be estimated from club path/horizontal ball azimuth, but then they'd have to be able to measure at least the club path too......
Hmmmm, interesting....
Let's get this straight. If it just measures Ball Speed, Club head speed, Launch Angle with club input (for spin) this thing will be spectacular at $450!
Waiting to hear back shortly with more detailed info.......
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Really love the market right now. Lot's of innovation for less money. Competition is great!
Launch angle and spin. If you could get relative direction out of this, then you have all you need to feed sim software.
Total spin does not give you curvature of the ball. Spin axis curves the ball. Spin axis has to be either measured, or calculated (guessed) by initial ball path/club path differential.
If it doesn't do either one of these, shot shapes will be as accurate as the Zelocity.
I'm not trying to bash it, cuz it's a great price. But the more people are informed the less likely they'll be disappointed or question the accuracy.
The ES 12 was iCrap only. Hopefully the ES 14 supports other OS's.
They were on "Morning Drive" on the Golf Channel this morning and said that it supports AndroidQuote:
Originally Posted by northgolf
Imagine being an add-on to Club-Head based Simulators like P3Proswing....!! :scratchch
Now confirmed it DOES! read launch angle, ball speed, club head speed, (estimates smash factor, reads direction of shot (to what degree?), also get spin rate (not sure how yet...).
This is ground breaking....
Today (and maybe the rest of the show) only they are selling it for only $350!!!!
Contradicting information out there.
Available tech (in price point) would suggest that it can read CHS, BS, and LA. But spin measurement is most definitely not true.
Spin estimation is definitely possible. Lookup tables for average spin based on launch angle measured is certainly believable.
This is the most interesting device to have heard about in a lonnnng time! Especially at such a cheap price. (ie not thousands). That's most of it's pull right there.
I'm sure they get it's spin rate from estimation tables too, but never know.....
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Originally Posted by goatbarn
No, not at all believable!
According to the Ernest Sports CEO they put thousands of hours in testing against Trackman and Foresights to get it highly accurate for spin.
They said at the show they will have it side by side with the GC2 to show you how the numbers are almost the same!!!!
At $350..... I hope the app has a visual ball flight graph on it too.
ES14 measures ball speed and club head speed only. Everything else is calculated.
I hit balls on it today-
Hey All,
I was at the booth today and double-confirmed that it directly measures ball speed and ball direction only - the spin and launch is a calculation - you have to specify the target direction (Left / Center / Right) and club.
The videos are uploading now and should be ready for viewing in the morning.
PS: I hit on it too and tried to compare it with the GC2 but the battery had died on the GC2 and they brought the wrong AC Adaptor so I asked them to send me an ES14 so we can do some independent testing.
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Originally Posted by golfun
they all say that, EVEN the skypro etc builders! However non will show you the test results because there are no test results! As soon as they post the invoices that proves they bougth a cg2 and trackman to do those "thousands of hours in testing" then we can start talking. You are aware that those "thousands of hours in testing" would mean that they "tested" this machine for more then a year minimum?
yeap with a flat battery and no adapter :DQuote:
Originally Posted by golfun
Frans actually I understated it lol You have to listen to the podcast.
PAR2PRO- How close!!! lol Sooo close to getting an actual comparison...
I wonder if anyone on here got to test it and compare data before the GC2 "died"?????
Can I ask what's the point of the "Launch Angle" statistic?? How would that number ever change if it's just hard coded in and the unit has no clue to it's angle, just ball and club speed? Would it always stay the same? lol
Update:
According to their team, it has sophisticated algorithms that can in fact figure launch angle and spin rate to such a high degree of accuracy, that they compared it directly to the gc2 at the PGA Merchandise Show!
So supposedly if you hit it 5 degrees higher it would in fact show that difference. Their engineers figured out how the numbers linked together?
Ok I have to see if this really works now... They are shipping in February and a lot of people preordered it already.
Does anyone think it could actually work well for those readings? Your thoughts?
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Originally Posted by golfun
My thought is that you want this so desperately to work that you are willing to accept whatever this company tells you and you reject any less positive comments from others.
For most it's unthinkable that any company would be making such a major incorrect statement about the working of their product. Not believing a company or person would\could act like that is called the big lie theory.
This behavior and the impossibility of the user to check launch angle and spin independently will allow a company to keep selling their products. You know that the purelauch is still being sold and there are still people believing it actually work but there are just some "issues"....
They have perfected the Zelocity lookup table method?
PS You are aware that you went from
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I actually found them to be straightforward when I emailed and asked what was calculated and what was measured.
They said it uses doppler radar technology and measures ball speed and clubhead speed. All the rest is calculated. No attempt to dress up their calculations with magic pixy dust or other obfuscating substances.
So I wish them well, their product has a market niche, just not as a full launch monitor to be used for simulation.
I completely agree Fran's. Like ZMax says, Zelocity like unit. Good luck to those that buy one!
Frans I was only repeating what they said. It doesn't matter if it works or not, unless some of you own simulator companies??...
Your overlooking one factor tho, they did compare it to the GC2. Anybody see it work side by side before it died is the real proof in the pudding. Please read again tho that it's another product and whether it works or not who knows, but it would be nice to see some testing.
Frans you are right tho, most of these companies read off incorrect or misleading statements and until you get the right member they won't clarify... sad really.
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Originally Posted by golfun
I understand that you are only repeating what they said. In no way it was meant as a negative remark towards you I only wanted to point out that the real functioning of this machine is like a moving target.
And someone did write down some cg2 data compared to the es14
http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/...4#entry8535949
Was at the show, but didn't get to compare it with the GC2 - I will do that as soon as it gets here :)
Thanks for the link Frans!
Seem like it could actually work well, depending on the club and all. But still real testing needs to be done. Thanks PAR2PRO! Can't wait to see your findings.
Very much interested in your testing! I actually pre-ordered, hope I didn't make a mistake. Here is my delima, I am looking for a tool to help calibrate my optishot. I am looking for accurate data in regards to swing speed, ball speed and close enough estimate on carry distance. I know the optishot is not that accurate, but I would like to tweak it to be as good as I can get it. I have a swing byte but users on here say its garbage so I don't even know if I can trust just its club head speed. I had the es12 (already unloaded it on ebay after I heard of the es14) and was impressed with your video comparing it to the GC2, however it lacked club head speed. If you can validate that the club head and ball speed are accurate, I think I will be a happy camper. Let us know what you find out once you get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Par2Pro
Let's say "if" this "launch monitor" actually could read +/- 3 degrees launch angle; then wouldn't it be a somewhat reasonable add-on to the P3 or Opti?
Example:
Let's say your average driver launch angle is 14 degrees. It's hard coded in P3 or Opti at 14.
Then you hit a shot that launches 20 degrees higher (34 total). The Sim will Still read 14 degrees. Which is way off.
If the ES14 was integrated it would read between 31-37 degrees. That is an immensely improved and closer reading.
Of course it could not work lol But that could be nice improvement for $450.
But it doesn't "read" launch angle, now does it? So you are making up a totally fictitious device and then further speculating that it could improve things.Quote:
Originally Posted by golfun
As I posted earlier they clearly said in writing it only measures ball speed and clubhead speed. That's less than what the Optishot does.
I understand the need to dream...but the repeated ignoring of reality seems a bit excessive in this thread.
Wow such hate for something never tested yet... How about we wait until Cory compares this thing to a real launch monitor before we call it crap. Did anyone see his video on the ES12 where he compared it to a GC2 with HMT? It was pretty close... Honestly I don't care what is measured vs what is calculated as long as it is accurate or close "in class" considering it's price rage. After all most science/physics is calculations based on theory later proven by experiment... If some company is able to figure out ball flight with some fancy math and it works against "real measurements" then that's good enough for me.
throttle- perfectly said!!Quote:
Originally Posted by throttle
If it's obtaining a fairly accurate LA number from direct ball measurements or from calculations, it's obtaining an fairly LA accurate reading! And for only $450. Nothing is even close, and it's actually affordable.