Thanks JVincent, I've been thinking about your joke about the putter psychiatrist, and I think your right. It seems there had to be something going on between my ears when it comes to putting. I mean after all how can I miss so many relatively easy birdie putts on the course when I can hit a ball into another ball from 5 foot all day long in practice sessions on the putting green. I figured out that when I play with people I know I subconsciesly don't try to make the putts just so people will not resent me as much when I beat them. After all I didn't beat them by much and I figure they'll think that at least they're better putters then I am!!! I did some number crunching on the rounds that I played by myself or with people I didn't know that wanted me to put on a show and go as low as I could. I found out that when I got really aggressive and tried to impress people that I played with instead of lay back and not ruffle feathers I averaged 68.6 per round with 5 birdies, I also had a slightly higher number of bogies at 2.38 per round. I really need to get to play with better players that won't hold good play against me, so I can go balls out all the time.Thanks again for you coments. Frank