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10-21-2005 07:25 AM #61
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shawn...you mean you are a GSED? an AI? say it aint so...Shawn, please send me a PM concerning your whereabouts, do you have a school, we must make something happen...
and, Mark Evershed use to be a student of TGM if i'm not mistakin, took a big chunck of it to teach his stuff, but actually, every teacher does not knowingly. Mark has his pattern down straight. and a good one at that i hear.
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10-21-2005 07:47 PM #62
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I would sure like to know where all this hostility is really coming from.
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Perhaps we are not as far a part as it seems. A closer reading of what was actually written might clear up a lot.
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10-21-2005 07:52 PM #63
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Originally Posted by Powerdraw
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10-21-2005 08:43 PM #64
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BC, educated hands and on plane arms are the purest form of TGM. Where is the other 25% hiding? i can here pivot from way out here in french country.
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10-22-2005 07:11 PM #65
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Originally Posted by Powerdraw
Regardless of the numbers and the method used to make the calculations,(individual results may vary) it is quite apparent that the motion of the arms and hands is paramount for producing speed, but it is also essential that the body move into a balanced, stabilizing position, as well.
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12-19-2005 11:33 AM #66
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Originally Posted by BC MIST
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12-19-2005 12:08 PM #67
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haha, it's not so simple.
How do you get the conclusions of 2 degrees open before hitting or on hitting the ball for straight shot?
It's very compiclate for analyzing the golf swing. You need avdanced Math and Physics to prooof it!!
Let me give one simple example, the swing speed is 100miles/hour. how much time will it cost to travel the distance like half an inch? The length from your hands to the driver's head is about 45". Go ahead, how long for the circle with 45"" radius and 2 degree angle?
I doubt there are few guys to answer this question correctly! It's just one simple model to proof what you said is true or not.
There are no math model to simulate the golf swing for the people. The simulator can only caculate the data based the force impact on the ball. It's one dimensional data. Form my understanding of the golf swing, at least consider three dimensional data for simulating the golf swing for man.
One word, the golf swing is art, not the science.
Originally Posted by mberube
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12-19-2005 12:29 PM #68Originally Posted by zhangtony
Everything in sports is science today. Nobody can deny that.
I have seen that data and tried it for my self. I have also read data on the net stating that 2-degrees open clubface is where you need to be at impact. It was a while back and I have not saved the links but look it up if you don’t believe me. The ball reacts on how the club arrives to it. That means that there is an optimal angle.
I’m not here to convince you. I just stated my experience.
MikeStrive for perfection, but never expect it!
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12-19-2005 01:12 PM #69
Mberube, your totally right, but you forgot to say that a lower ball angle makes it take less wind, and maybe these things were tested and aproved, i think golf isn't all about physics, or it would be so boring.
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12-19-2005 01:38 PM #70
Golf is a lot about feel, I won’t deny that but the physics must be dead on for you to be successful. I am aware that 2-degrees is not the only impact position for success. This all depends on how you come in to the ball.
Is 14-degrees launch angle the only way you can drive the ball off the tee? No but you better be if you want to maximize your driving distance. It’s the same thing with ball flight and trajectory.
I’m not saying that I intentionally hit the ball 2-D open at impact. That’s impossible but you can surely set up a practice tool to help you achieve the desired position.
MikeStrive for perfection, but never expect it!
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12-19-2005 02:15 PM #71
It meens i should go further with my 3 wood ( actually14 degrees ) than with my driver?
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12-19-2005 02:49 PM #72
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To me, the best way to hit the ball farther is to relax and have good timing and rhythm with contact on the sweet spot. Relaxed muscles are faster than tight ones.....and if your timeing and rhythm are good the better chance of solid contact.....
Who ever had a stupid layup shot dunk into the pond you were laying up from?
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12-19-2005 03:55 PM #73Originally Posted by buckylasek
The launch angle and spin rate can be measured with a launch monitor.
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12-20-2005 12:40 AM #74
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Yeah, sometimes science couldn't model the things in reality at all.
If science is so powerful that robot could act like human being exactly. There are
many issues the science couldn't deal with.
It doesn't matter if you set up your club open or close. You will response to hit
the ball with square face for sure. Because we are human being. The god laugh when human being think.
The golfers will lost if focus on the details too much. The only thing the golfer can do is to focus to hit the ball on the sweet spot of the club. More you can hit, better you score. Human's body is flexible. No science could model how energy transfer within our body. Even the example you gave like 14-degree launch angle, it's not a problem for the touring pros at all. It doesn't matter the launch ange is 14 degree, or 11 degree, etc if your swing speed is over 110 miles/hour. Your distance still goes the long way and your ball is still in the middle of the fairway. That's the goal when you hit your driver.
Originally Posted by mberube
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12-20-2005 06:14 AM #75
Yes i agree, science kills the game spirit, before it was more fun, do you imagine another sport where so many scientists analyse things? Because if they do so, it's just to make money.
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12-20-2005 08:34 AM #76Originally Posted by zhangtony
Have you ever seen or tried a launch monitor??Last edited by mberube; 12-20-2005 at 09:27 AM.
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12-20-2005 09:11 AM #77
What you're tired of launch monitors? I think they like lowers trajectory, because the ball is less subject to the wind, and it travels faster. I don't think most people need a 7° loft, but for me , 9.5 Works perfectly, and it works better than 10.5, what you forget to say is for MOST players 14° is ok, but most players don't hit like pro's do.
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12-22-2005 03:47 PM #78
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Question
Before I ask this question I would like to say that I am only interested in your opinions not your arguements as it is just a question and not my opinion.
Question: why does the iron byron test robot hit the golf ball so far and accurate without leg drive or body movement? Would you be satisfied with the ironbyrons ability to hit a golf ball, even if you new that you could get 25% more yards from it if it had legs and used body rotation?
Thought; I have read that a player can hit a 7iron 150yrds with two hands and 130yrds with his right hand only! this proves to me that the body does have some input on the yardage a ball is hit.but it also proves that it can also affect the yardage as many players can consitently hit the ball 130yrds with one hand but are up and down with their yardage with two hands on the club, is it because the 25% or so the body is involved can be so harmfull or benificial that you either give up distance or gain it depending on that one variable(the body). Would you rather be consistent or Long mayby short when faced with a important shot.
Again just questions with many answers, I am just asking and would love to here your thoughts on this. I am not disputing that the body and legs are important but just wondering if there is a reason that only a few talented players make the arms and body work consistently and if you think that if we all became arm,quiet body players that the handicaps would come down.
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12-22-2005 03:54 PM #79
You are wrong, for a right handed golfer, power is given by left arm.
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12-22-2005 04:11 PM #80
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buckylasek
Question: what's your thoughts on the ironbyron question?
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12-22-2005 04:13 PM #81Originally Posted by buckylasekLive as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.
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12-22-2005 04:33 PM #82Originally Posted by GolfOttawaLive as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.
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12-22-2005 04:42 PM #83
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I am not sure what the actual swing speed full out is but I have heard that the iron byron swing speed can be regulated to suit the test requirments.
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12-22-2005 05:32 PM #84Originally Posted by Chieflongtee
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12-22-2005 07:27 PM #85Originally Posted by buckylasekLive as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.
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12-22-2005 07:37 PM #86
Anyway who's wright and who's wrong? Take a look at the following pics from the site you were refering to.
http://handigolf.ifrance.com/
P.S: En passant le père Noël est une ordure.Last edited by Chieflongtee; 06-07-2006 at 05:25 PM.
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12-23-2005 08:25 AM #87
I think it all depends on how your body normally generates power. Personally, I generate my power from the right side.
Daly and VJ both generate power from the left side and they stated this on numerous occasions. How can you dispute that?
As for the robot question, if I could swing my arms like Iron Byron repetitively and accurately without body motion, I would take It without a second thought.
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12-23-2005 11:42 AM #88
Mberube is right, i'm like John Daly, and the pics are negatives ;p
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12-24-2005 11:15 PM #89
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Really?
Originally Posted by mberube
10 balls. Your ball launch angles will be in the range from 11 to 15 degrees assume you
are not a bad golfer. It doesn't mean you must use 7 degree loft driver to achieve
14 lauch angle.
I already said, the simulation model for the launch monitor is based one dimensional
data. It couldn't simulate the golf swing from human being at all. It's just a tool.
I doubt any PGA tour players to practice their swing based on the launch monitor.
The function of the launch monitor just help them understand the golf swing more but
couldn't help them to hit the ball better. It helps the golfers to expierence different
drivers from different specifications. You will be disappointed if you can depend
on the launch monitor to find your best driver. You can only find your best driver
when play on the golf course.
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12-25-2005 05:52 AM #90
i play links 2003 and the lower i hit the ball, the further it goes.
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