View Poll Results: Who is to blame for slow play?
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The Management for not spacing out the tee times
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The Marshalls for not enforcing pace of play
83 33.74% -
The actual slow players, whoever they are
176 71.54% -
6 hour rounds don't bother me
2 0.81%
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Thread: Who is to blame for slow play?
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04-26-2006 12:26 PM #31Originally Posted by rancherJ
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04-26-2006 01:07 PM #32
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If you want good pace of play, become a member. You typically do not deal with slow play of play at courses like Talon or Predator. And I'm sure Royal, Hunt, etc. pace is very acceptable...
Comments? THoughts?
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04-26-2006 01:15 PM #33
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In my opinion, slow play is caused by two things: the influx of golf courses that are most difficult for mid-to-high handicappers, and the reluctance of these players to play tees that are commensurate with their abilities.
For example, I had the opportunity to play a few newer golf courses in the Toronto area last year, including Eagles Nest, Osprey Valley, and Bond Head. Now, for the good golfer, these are run-of-the-mill golf courses and you have just as much chance to play well here as anywhere else. But for the below-average golfer, some of the "new-age" course design characteristics just don't benefit pace of play. Actually, these "new-age" characteristics (tons of fairway bunkers, fairways separated by dunes) are a move BACK into links-style designs, but I digress. Because there are so many new golfers (and thus so many bad golfers) that want to play these courses, it just stands to reason that guys who take more strokes and get into more trouble take longer. Stonebridge has a few holes that I would consider borderline links-style and they definitely give the bad golfer a lot more trouble in proportion to the good golfer.
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04-26-2006 03:39 PM #34Originally Posted by sensfan63
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04-26-2006 03:41 PM #35Originally Posted by oneputtwonder
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04-26-2006 04:44 PM #36
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Stop looking in the woods for your used top-flight ball
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04-26-2006 06:52 PM #37
Reasons for slow play? Here's a 'top 5' that have afflicted me from time to time...
5. Magnetic fields. No golfer can walk by the edge of any wooded area without being drawn into the magnetic field of a potential ball just lying there and waiting to be found.
The same is true of any water.. balls in there send out mind waves that automatically place a ball retriever into the hand. And of course, if you get one... there's another just a little farther in...
4. Pride - golfing with our buddies means outdriving the buggers no matter how far that little extra effort will hook the ball into the woods.
3. Micklesonitis - "I know it will take a one in a million shot to make this, but I am going to try and bend this around those trees, over the water, and onto the green." Phil seems to have been cured of this lately... why not me?
2. Tunnel Vision - I CAN see the green through that little gap between these 2 trees, so why should I play safely back into the fairway when I can just put this ball back in my stance and punch the little sucker right up to the hole and escape these woods without giving up a stroke...
And the number 1 reason...
1. PGA tours being televised - I saw this shot played last Sunday... if it worked for [put favourite golfer name here] then it should work for me too!
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04-26-2006 07:15 PM #38"Richard"Guest
^^^ I'm guilty of so many of this but by no means a slow player. I make up the time wasted on the green and on the tee box but since most of the guys I play with are pretty slow so I'm not the bottle neck
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04-26-2006 07:20 PM #39Originally Posted by byerxaIt could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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04-26-2006 11:07 PM #40Originally Posted by Colby
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04-27-2006 09:26 AM #41Originally Posted by oneputtwonder
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04-27-2006 09:27 AM #42
But a lot of us can't afford that. Or would get divorced!!
Donny Vantage NFL Guru, since 1974
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04-27-2006 01:45 PM #43
What is the website for Predator?? Where is it; heard someone talking about it today.
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04-27-2006 03:27 PM #44
I think you can’t blame slow players. If you are taught to play golf at a slow pace, it’s not you fault, it’s the way you learned. Pace of play is a big problem in America and it’s the local staff’s job to make sure that the pace is decent on the course. If every course would enforce a “two strikes your out” type of rule you would see a major improvement. Think about it. The last time you were on a course behind a very slow group. Do you see a marshal around? Rarely you’ll see any marshals enforcing the law.
I have not played SB for a few year but back then the pace of play was 4:30h or lower and if you were slower then that a marshal would give you a fair warning. If he caught you slaking again you were off the course with a weekly rain check that you could use when it was not busy. Are they still doing this?
I like what EC does. You can’t go down to the first tee until the group in front is off the first green. It’s easy then to pinpoint the slow groups.
MikeStrive for perfection, but never expect it!
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04-27-2006 03:40 PM #45
I didn't get to read every post but I think another reason for slow rounds this time of year would be 6 to 8 inch rough. Long rough is great for Canadian and U.S. opens but really a bad idea for fast play, but it seems that a lot of courses only have one person that cuts the rough. You see a lot of people just off the fairway looking for their ball, and that adds time that really doesn't need to be added to a round of golf. Yesterday on the last hole, a par three, I was 5 inches off of the fringe of the green in 8 inch rough with the ball nesseled down. All I could say is where's Phil when you need him. and played and explosion shot with a wide open club to four foot and missed the side hill putt, I lost my match but now I can relate to playing in an open tournament!
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04-27-2006 04:11 PM #46
This poll is flawed.
1) Management for not spacing out tee times
If ALL players kept pace groups can play back to back without a problem
2) The Marshalls for not enforcing pace of play
I assume that means motivating the slow players to move faster
3) The actual slow players, whoever they are
Gee... ya think?
There is only oe answer, the others are how courses try to accomoate the inevitable slow players.
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04-27-2006 04:37 PM #47
If a course has a five minute separation between groups, like the Canadian used to, a slow day was inevitable. So I think 'management' is valid. Otherwise it wouldn't get any votes, would it?
Donny Vantage NFL Guru, since 1974
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04-27-2006 05:34 PM #48
If you think about it, Overbooking only backs up the first tee. You cannot put more groups on the course than it will physically handle. If you have a slow group on #3 it will back up al the way to the first tee and cause a gap on #4.
9 minute tee times work because the slow groups do not have enough of a ripple effect to slow the whole course down. You only find 9 minute tee times on the more expensive courses because you get what you pay for.
IF slow groups were eliminated alternating 7 and 8 minute tee times on a fully packed course would work perfectly. This is where the marshalls need to do thier thing.
5 minute tee times are impossible and could not be maintained for more than the first 20 minutes of the day. I strongly doubt any course has tried that.
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04-28-2006 03:46 PM #49Originally Posted by ironmaster15213
...or HAVE you seen rough like that around here??
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04-28-2006 03:56 PM #50
I don't know about the length of the rough in Canada but it's a killer down here in Pa. People are complaining about it big time but its just the amount of rain and the cool evening temps. grass just loves it. I played with a guy that works at the course and he's the one that told me that there is only one guy cutting the rough on each 18 hole course. I don't know what kind of grass it is but boy is it brutal when your right next to the green and have to try to spin the ball.
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10-07-2011 10:23 AM #51
Like others I don't know that there is one solution. Essentially I believe that slow play is everyone's responsibility on the course, the golfers causing the slow play, the one's behind who fume but don't call the pro shop to voice their concerns, the Marshalls and other course staff who allow it. As an aside last week I was in Florida playing behind a superintends of golf tournament. In the club house afterwards it was interesting to here their complaints. Number one -- the Tiger syndrome. Golfers who tee up from the back tees who have no business being there from a skill perspective, another thing I heard was people waiting for greens to clear when they have no hope in hell of getting the ball to the green in two shots let alone one. Novice golfers they can deal with it is the high handicapper who thinks they are better than they are that from their perspective is the number one cause of slow play.
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10-07-2011 11:05 AM #52
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Interesting... how long did that round take?
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10-07-2011 02:24 PM #53
If memory serves it was about a 4:15 minute round. The group of 4 that I caught up to ( i was a single) were all scratch or close to it. They were playing from the back tees and were pretty much GIR on most holes. Some really nice shaped shots. The greens are fast on this course usually but for that tournament they had them running at just around 12 or so. I did not have my best putting day....
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10-11-2011 12:03 PM #54
This thread is old
You only get out of something what you put into it
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10-11-2011 01:05 PM #55
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Yet here you are? SLOW POKE
Lefty Lucas
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10-13-2011 09:54 PM #56
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Put the blame on stroke play. Match play or Stableford scoring would be a lot faster.
He who hits last, walks alone
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10-14-2011 04:14 PM #57
Best ball or "ready" golf would speed things up too. How many times have you seen the group ahead drive up to the first ball, find it, hit it, then drive to the next ball... and so on. There should be a test for cart drivers and if the Marshall sees them doing this, then make them walk, or cart path only.
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10-16-2011 12:52 PM #58
I say the players. I have no problem with taking the right amount of time for a shot, untill you have used up your quota for the hole. At that point just get on with it.
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10-24-2011 12:57 PM #59
Who is to blame for slow play...I would have to say the people playing in front of me on the course....
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10-24-2011 12:59 PM #60
The group behind me always has their hands on their hips.
It's golf, relax, it's not a race to see who finishes in under 3 hours.You only get out of something what you put into it
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