This may be political and go against the forum rules but surely we can discuss it With the number of middle of the road and less----why does the NCC handcuff it's private management companies with so many regulations. You would think that some of these courses were up and running long before the NCC took over and would have grandfathering clauses in them. I think it's time that the NCC sold the courses outright and let golf developers bring a couple of them back to their good old days. I have seen good improvement at Pine View---but it is very slow. I'm sure the story is the same elsewhere. Sure I know the market is mushy but that's not stopping LeBreton Flats and Rideau Carleton----offer what people want and there will be a decent return.