Hmmm.

[Andru]

Losing your cool and shouting foul language is one thing, affecting the playing conditions for others isn't cool. I didn't see this actually happen. I'm sure he'll he hearing from ole' Earl on this one.

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/sports/ar...17195909990002

[Golfpeasant]

Losing your cool and shouting foul language is one thing, affecting the playing conditions for others isn't cool. I didn't see this actually happen. I'm sure he'll he hearing from ole' Earl on this one.

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/sports/ar...17195909990002

That's a strange thing to do, even for Tiger.

[nice_lag]

It was a pretty good mark and totally done out of frustration. It certainly wasn't proper conduct for ANY golfer. At least he acknowledged his wrongdoing and didn't pound his putter through the green like some do with their irons in the fairway.

[Kilroy]

Not cool at all. They should have kicked him off the course. If you or I did that, and they knew who did it, do you think we'd be welcome back the next day? No way.

[Andru]

Not cool at all. They should have kicked him off the course. If you or I did that, and they knew who did, it do you think we'd be welcome back the next day? No way.

The USGA acknowledged they spoke with Tiger but felt this isolated incident wasn't enough to boot him from the tourney. I kind of agree with that. They need to make some sort of rule which would allow them to penalize a stroke. As the rule is wirtten the only option is removing the individual.

The scraping was bad enough but I think the weak attempt to fix it was worse.

[Hank Hill]

I really try to like him for his exceptional talent at golf, but I just can see past this sort of petulance, hardly setting a good example is he?

[Andru]

I really try to like him for his exceptional talent at golf, but I just can see past this sort of petulance, hardly setting an example is he?

<Sigh> just when I thought we could get through a Tiger Woods discussion without the usual song and dance. He's not the first nor will he be the last to make a mistake. I was hoping this could lead to a broader discussion about these types of incidents and how they can be avoided.

[Hank Hill]

<Sigh> just when I thought we could get through a Tiger Woods discussion without the usual song and dance. He's not the first nor will he be the last to make a mistake. I was hoping this could lead to a broader discussion about these types of incidents and how they can be avoided.

It is not possible to go through a "Tiger Woods dicussion" and not get a "song and dance". You should know this. He IS Tiger Woods after all, and whether he likes it or not all cameras are on him so he is under the microscope. I love his golf game, he is awesome, but he acts like a big baby on the golf course. Sorry if stating this offends you.

[NoBack]

Woods drew a mild rebuke from the USGA for damaging the green on the ninth hole and some disapproving stares from the crowd around the 18th green for cursing. When the day ended, though, his party line hadn't changed.

This from the article is what I find a shame. Because it's the Cat, we have our set of rules and he has his?

Woods didn't attempt to apologize for the incident, and he wasn't penalized for it despite the USGA saying his actions "may be understood as a breach of etiquette."

This shows the "whole " picture. Not even feel bad about it. Great example to show the kids.

[broken27]

Never thought I'd live to see the day when Mr. Composure blew a gasket... What a shock!!!! Someone mark down the date and time!!!

Fine his ass if nothing else. Hockey players pay fines for their transgressions too...

Dan

[Chieflongtee]

This from the article is what I find a shame. Because it's the Cat, we have our set of rules and he has his?

This shows the "whole " picture. Not even feel bad about it. Great example to show the kids.

Come on. He is just human like the rest of us. He has emotions and frustrations. Most of all he wants to win more than anybod else out there. He is a true grinder and never gives up like a whole bunch of them out there. You can never count him out and truly that is the best example he can show the kids. Please do not tell me that you never smoked nor drank nor cussed in front of some kids at least once.

[Kilroy]

felt this isolated incident wasn't enough to boot him from the tourney. I kind of agree with that.

Oh, it must be nice to be Tiger.
All bow for "the man". That's crap. If one of the qualifiers had done it, g'bye.
Sorry Andu, but it's inexcuseable, especially for someone in his shoes.

[el tigre]

If one of the qualifiers had done it, g'bye.

Oh, I don't think so. First of all, you'd never hear about it. Secondly, the only time someone is DQ'ed in a PGA tournament is when the rules state that they MUST be DQ'ed. Whenever the PGA (aka "the committee") has the discretion to DQ someone, they NEVER go that far. Tiger is not the only hothead on the PGA Tour. When was the last time ANYONE was disqualified for a serious breach of etiquette on the PGA Tour?? It just doesn't happen.

Sorry Andu, but it's inexcuseable, especially for someone in his shoes.

He's in the same shoes as everybody else. For the same reason that he should not be getting special treatment, he should not be saddled with special responsibilities either. All that "role model" stuff is an invention of the media. He's a golfer, not a preacher.

[Andru]

Oh, it must be nice to be Tiger.
All bow for "the man". That's crap. If one of the qualifiers had done it, g'bye.
Sorry Andu, but it's inexcuseable, especially for someone in his shoes.

Dan that's not true, Tiger gets no advantages other than the ones he's earned ( Better tee time draws etc ) He's treated like any other player, he gets fined he gets spoken to about his conduct. The PGA doesn't make a public display of it. I've seen Pat Perez do some ridiculous things and he wasn't booted. I'll remind you of Daly's melt downs on the course He wasn't booted he withdrew.

He made a mistake, everyone does. I'm sorry I started this stupid thread. I wanted to talk about the obvious void in the rules and how tings like this can go unpunished because the punishment is so severe. It's like giving life sentences for speeding. No one would enforce it.

Whether you think Tiger's a baby or a suck. It's an opinion and no one on this forum is going to change their minds so it's useless talking about it.

[Golfpeasant]

Dan that's not true, Tiger gets no advantages other than the ones he's earned ( Better tee time draws etc ) He's treated like any other player, he gets fined he gets spoken to about his conduct. The PGA doesn't make a public display of it. I've seen Pat Perez do some ridiculous things and he wasn't booted. I'll remind you of Daly's melt downs on the course He wasn't booted he withdrew.

Didn't Daly get fined big time for pounding his putter into the ground ? Ditto for agreeing with El Tigre's statement.

[Kilroy]

He's in the same shoes as everybody else.

Oh I see. Never mind then

[Kilroy]

What I find unacceptable is taking a hunk out of the green in anger. Does anyone want to see that become acceptable?

[broken27]

What I find unacceptable is taking a hunk out of the green in anger. Does anyone want to see that become acceptable?

Not me. To me it's the same thing as taking a swing at your competitor in another sport. Basically I view golf as a competition against the course, so whacking a chunk out of the course is essentially the same as whacking a chunk out of a player on the other team in any team sport.

Dan

[Chieflongtee]

What I find unacceptable is taking a hunk out of the green in anger. Does anyone want to see that become acceptable?

Of course not.

[Kilroy]

Well, I am not sure about comparing turf damage to personal injury. However, it's a serious breach of ettiquite at the very least. Fairways are one thing, greens are another. They even stipulate not to lean on your putter on the green in the ettiquite guidelines

Preventing Unnecessary Damage

Players should avoid causing damage to the course by removing divots when taking practice swings or by hitting the head of a club into the ground, whether in anger or for any other reason.

Players should ensure that no damage is done to the putting green when putting down bags or the flagstick.

In order to avoid damaging the hole, players and caddies should not stand too close to the hole and should take care during the handling of the flagstick and the removal of a ball from the hole. The head of a club should not be used to remove a ball from the hole.

Players should not lean on their clubs when on the putting green, particularly when removing the ball from the hole.

The flagstick should be properly replaced in the hole before the players leave the putting green.

Local notices regulating the movement of golf carts should be strictly observed.


Conclusion; Penalties for Breach
If players follow the guidelines in this Section, it will make the game more enjoyable for everyone.

If a player consistently disregards these guidelines during a round or over a period of time to the detriment of others, it is recommended that the Committee consider taking appropriate disciplinary action against the offending player. Such action may, for example, include prohibiting play for a limited time on the course or in a certain number of competitions. This is considered to be justifiable in terms of protecting the interest of the majority of golfers who wish to play in accordance with these guidelines.

In the case of a serious breach of Etiquette, the Committee may disqualify a player under Rule 33-7.

[el tigre]

In the case of a serious breach of Etiquette, the Committee may disqualify a player under Rule 33-7.

Well, I haven't been following professional golf that long, but I have not heard of a single incident in the history of the PGA Tour (or the US Open, British Open or Masters) where this has actually been enforced against a player. So how can anyone argue that TW is somehow getting preferential treatment by not being disqualified? NOBODY ever gets disqualifed for breaches of etiquette.

And I would find it hard to believe that NOBODY in the history of professional golf has ever damaged a green in frustration before. TW isn't the first hothead on tour and he won't be the last. Guys like Tommy Bolt used the throw clubs and curse and swear all the time and everyone thought they were "colourful". Geez, some of those guys were barely sober when they played. There are plenty of other guys on tour (*cough* Rory Sabattini *cough*) who are known to have "anger management" issues that need to grow up. This isn't all about Tiger.

Was his behavior acceptable? Certainly not. Anyone who thinks this was an "accident" or his lame repair work and "non-apology" made everythink OK needs a new prescription for their rose-coloured glasses. Should he be fined? Absolutely - if there is such a program in place for this (I know the PGA has one, but I'm not so sure about the USGA). But kicked out of the tournament - I don't think so. That would be special treatment - he would be singled out for punishment in a situation where other players have not been, simply because of his media profile.

[NoBack]

Was his behavior acceptable? Certainly not. Anyone who thinks this was an "accident" or his lame repair work and "non-apology" made everythink OK needs a new prescription for their rose-coloured glasses. Should he be fined? Absolutely - if there is such a program in place for this (I know the PGA has one, but I'm not so sure about the USGA). But kicked out of the tournament - I don't think so. That would be special treatment - he would be singled out for punishment in a situation where other players have not been, simply because of his media profile.

Agree 100%

[broken27]

Agree 100%

Ditto.

Dan

[Andru]

Was his behavior acceptable? Certainly not. Anyone who thinks this was an "accident" or his lame repair work and "non-apology" made everythink OK needs a new prescription for their rose-coloured glasses. Should he be fined? Absolutely - if there is such a program in place for this (I know the PGA has one, but I'm not so sure about the USGA). But kicked out of the tournament - I don't think so. That would be special treatment - he would be singled out for punishment in a situation where other players have not been, simply because of his media profile.

Well said.

[mberube]

Was his behavior acceptable? Certainly not. Anyone who thinks this was an "accident" or his lame repair work and "non-apology" made everythink OK needs a new prescription for their rose-coloured glasses. Should he be fined? Absolutely - if there is such a program in place for this (I know the PGA has one, but I'm not so sure about the USGA). But kicked out of the tournament - I don't think so. That would be special treatment - he would be singled out for punishment in a situation where other players have not been, simply because of his media profile.

I also agree but fining a player is completely unsuccessful. Money is no object at least for Tiger and all the top players. You must hit them where it counts. Stroke penalty.

Let say Tiger was panelized one stroke for that incident. Then on Sunday, he birdies and pars a couple of holes that he should have at the end to finally play a 67 instead of a 69. That would put him at +1 with the stroke penalty preventing him to participate in a playoff. Now that hurts.

I know this is all speculation but stroke penalties can cost them money, qualification for other tournaments……

This type of incident happens more often then not and they should be dealt with in way that they will think twice before they smash their club no mater where they are on the course.

At the Tunis last year, J Shealds was penalized 2 strokes for a similar incident. He was eventually DQed at the end.

Mike

[Kilroy]

I don't believe he did it intentionally.

He did it in anger. Go ahead, slam your putter into the rough, look stupid I don't care. Leave a 6" gouge in a green on Pinhurst #2 and just see how fast they show you the gate.

[Chieflongtee]

He did it in anger. Go ahead, slam your putter into the rough, look stupid I don't care. Leave a 6" gouge in a green on Pinhurst #2 and just see how fast they show you the gate.

They probably would not let me past the gate

[Kilroy]

Dan that's not true, Tiger gets no advantages other than the ones he's earned

Your opinion. Cheers!

[Andru]

Your opinion. Cheers!

Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary it's a fact.

[broken27]

Unless you can provide evidence to the contrary it's a fact.

No, actually it works the opposite way... You have to demonstrate FACT, you can spew unbacked opinions all you want. Just because you said something first doesn't mean your opinion is correct until disproven...

Dan