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[Chieflongtee]

What would be the ruling in the following situation? My buddy and I are not pros therefore we do our best to speed up play. I'm on the fringe and he's further away. I know I should have waited but I went ahead and hit the putt which would have ended either in the hole or real close. All the sudden his chip hits my rolling ball(his chip was too hard and my ball slowed his ball down). I ended up being much further from the hole and he ended up being a lot closer. In other words both balls are in motion. We both did not know what to do. I could not replace a ball that was in motion. So tell me please.What is the proper ruling in such a situation?

[Gary Hill]

What would be the ruling in the following situation? My buddy and I are not pros therefore we do our best to speed up play. I'm on the fringe and he's further away. I know I should have waited but I went ahead and hit the putt which would have ended either in the hole or real close. All the sudden his chip hits my rolling ball(his chip was too hard and my ball slowed his ball down). I ended up being much further from the hole and he ended up being a lot closer. In other words both balls are in motion. We both did not know what to do. I could not replace a ball that was in motion. So tell me please.What is the proper ruling in such a situation?

Neither ball was played from the putting green, so it is a rub of the green. Both balls are played as they lie without penalty. See Rule 19-1.

Rub of the Green
A “rub of the green’’ occurs when a ball in motion is accidentally deflected or stopped by any outside agency.

FYI - If your buddy's stroke was from the putting green, you would have incurred a two stroke penalty whether or not your balls made contact. See Rule 16-1f.

[faldo]

On a similar line Gary;
at the OGT Event yesterday, my ball at rest in a greenside bunker was deflected up onto the bank by a wayward 50 yard chipshot that stayed in the bunker. It was wayward wasn't it Pops?? After a little discussion I put my ball back in the bunker as close as possible.
Right??

[Kilroy]

Neither ball was played from the putting green, so it is a rub of the green. Both balls are played as they lie without penalty. See Rule 19-1.

You should not have put it back.

[Chieflongtee]

Thank you Gary. Now what if 2 balls from different foursomes connected from 2 different fairways?

[Kilroy]

Same thing I'd expect.

[NoBack]

On a similar line Gary;
at the OGT Event yesterday, my ball at rest in a greenside bunker was deflected up onto the bank by a wayward 50 yard chipshot that stayed in the bunker. It was wayward wasn't it Pops?? After a little discussion I put my ball back in the bunker as close as possible.
Right??

I think you did the right thing. I guess Pops was bombing it again?

[Colby]

I think you did the right thing. I guess Pops was bombing it again?

Nope, Pops shanked his 4th shot into #10 into the right greenside bunker from 40 yards out.

[Kilroy]

I think you did the right thing.

Nope. They should have played them as they lied after the "rub of the green" incident.

[NoBack]

cool

[el tigre]

Nope. They should have played them as they lied after the "rub of the green" incident.

I believe faldo was correct - his ball should be replaced under Rule 18-5. Rule 19 covers a ball that is in motion, and therefore does not apply in this situation because Faldo's ball was at rest in the bunker.

[Colby]

18-5. By Another Ball If a ball in play and at rest is moved by another ball in motion after a stroke, the moved ball must be replaced.

That's what we did

[Kilroy]

Hmmm, I knew that's what you did on the green, but Gary just said...

Neither ball was played from the putting green, so it is a rub of the green. Both balls are played as they lie without penalty. See Rule 19-1.

Rub of the Green
A “rub of the green’’ occurs when a ball in motion is accidentally deflected or stopped by any outside agency.

However 18-5 seems pretty clear and 19-1 is confusingly worded.

I guess the difference is that both balls were moving in the fist circumstance. My mistake.

[NoBack]

cool

[faldo]

Thanks anyway Dan. I did get up and down for a nice SANDY-PAR from the bunker.

BUT I know the chip-in for the Bird was coming from the sidehill buried lie where Pops hit me too.

[Gary Hill]

19-1 is confusingly worded.

Rule 19. Ball in Motion Deflected or Stopped
19-1. By Outside Agency
If a ball in motion is accidentally deflected or stopped by any outside agency, it is a rub of the green, there is no penalty and the ball must be played as it lies except:

Rule 19 applies ONLY to a ball that is in motion. You cannot apply it to any other situation.

[Kilroy]

Yah I figured that out. Thanks Gary