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06-05-2005 02:07 PM #1
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Relief-What Club to Use
Under Nearst Point of Relief, note: It says - "In order to determine the neareset point of relief accurately, the player SHOULD use the club with which he would have made the next stroke if the condition were not there to simulate the address position, direction of play and swing for such a stroke."
In the past I have used a wedge for this determination if the shot to be played should have been with a wedge, or a 5 iron or whatever. But the above uses SHOULD and not MUST. Therefore, am I correct in saying that if I choose to use my driver for the point determination instead of my wedge, which is the club I would have used for the shot, that I am not breaking any rule?
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06-05-2005 03:51 PM #2Originally Posted by BC MIST
If the ball, after the drop, is within the prescribed area which would have been drawn using the correct club, then you have not breached the Rules 24-2b, 25-1, or 25-3. However, if the ball is outside this area because you used say a driver to measure your nearest point of relief instead of a wedge, then you would be in breach of applicable Rule.
Measuring with the wrong club is not a penalty in itself, but may lead to a penalty further along in the dropping procedure.
You would be wise to continue to measure with the correct club to avoid any question being raised as to whether a penalty has occurred.
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06-05-2005 07:04 PM #3
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I've never seen a pro use anything other than a driver to measure.
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06-05-2005 07:08 PM #4Originally Posted by Nocturnal
We are discussing nearest point of relief only.
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06-05-2005 11:20 PM #5"Richard"Guest
Garry what do you shoot?
Also, can you give me an example of what you guys are talking about because as usual I'm lost
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06-06-2005 08:01 AM #6
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Originally Posted by thotho
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06-06-2005 08:09 AM #7
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06-06-2005 08:17 AM #8
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Originally Posted by Gary Hill
There is nothing in the rules you mentioned above that says I MUST. I understand that common sense says that if the cart path interferes with my wedge shot that I SHOULD use the wedge to determine the NPR, but it does not say MUST.Last edited by Gary Hill; 06-06-2005 at 08:29 AM. Reason: edited for content
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06-06-2005 08:47 AM #9Originally Posted by BC MIST
You may find that point in any manner that you wish, but you MUST find the correct point.
The note using the word "should" is a guideline to help you find that point.
In taking a stance with a driver, you have NOT found the nearest point of relief.
FYI - If you do not put an identification mark your ball and you find more than one ball of the same name and number in the area where your ball is likely to be, your ball is, by definition, lost.
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06-06-2005 03:11 PM #10
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Originally Posted by Gary Hill
If I find my NPR using a driver, but hit the shot with my wedge, I'm a cheatin 'cause the NPR is not truly the NPR, unless I use the appropriate club which in my example is a shorter club.
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06-06-2005 04:22 PM #11Originally Posted by BC MIST
Basically, I think he is saying that there is no penalty for dropping the ball incorrectly. The applicable penalty is for playing a ball from the wrong place - which MAY be the case if you don't follow the procedures for dropping a ball correctly.
However, the correct area for dropping a ball can be quite large. It is conceivable that you could totally screw up the measuring procedure for NPR and yet still drop the ball in the "correct" area - in which case you have not incurred a penalty and you're not cheating.[COLOR=green][B]Golf is a game invented by the same people who think music comes out of bagpipes.[/B][/COLOR]
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06-06-2005 07:34 PM #12Originally Posted by el tigre
The Rules say the ball must be dropped within a defined area.
There is NOTHING in the Rules that says you have to measure at all.
Technically, you could just walk 3 feet away from the cart path and drop the ball.
You would be in compliance with the Rules (within one club of and not nearer the hole than the nearest point of relief) MOST of the time.
However, if you want to be sure (like when the pros are playing for $3 million), then you must physically measure out the area with clubs.
The note to the definition of "Nearest Point of Relief" gives you guidance on how you may find this defined area. (ie. "should')
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