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01-09-2014 03:44 PM #61
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FYI, I was told by simtech that the system does measure spin/spin axis. However they did not reply when I asked them how (ie, dimples or marked balls).
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01-09-2014 04:20 PM #62
It is definetely not Kinect technology. See Foregolf thread for technology of Simtech.
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01-10-2014 10:00 AM #63
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I have read of many instances of 3-4 Kinect 1's running smoothly together, each on a separate USB2.0 bus. Kinect 2's interfere. Kinect 3 - who knows what it will do. I'm not suggesting Simtech use physical Kinects, but use a similar depth-sensing technology (time-of-flight, dot-field, structured-light, something else?) in their quest, maybe different frequency IR for each. 30fps is simply Kinect's scan rate, maybe because a wide FOV is required or maybe because it's sufficient for human movement. From my calcs I had at 1000fps (which are inline with yours at 30fps) it should have been obvious I knew 30fps by itself is inappropriate for speed measurement.
Maybe they'll need other imaging techniques, maybe some fast hardware board giving a signal that can be easily handled by USB2. As I said, it's easy to postulate without actually doing it, but I don't believe something accurate and reasonably priced is too far away. It doesn't look like it'll be Simtech if the Full Swing Golf connection is still there though.
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01-10-2014 10:30 AM #64
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So what technology does the Fullswing/Simtech (assuming it's the same) use? 2 High speed cameras in stereoscopic vision?
Assuming they're not lying (big assumption) about measuring spin/spin axis....how can you do it with infrared LED light, 2 cameras and a regular spot light? It would have to "see" the dimples (like GC2) wouldn't it?
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01-10-2014 11:50 AM #65
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I'm sure you have not read that, because it is impossible. In fact many tried to find special ways to make it work. The only way it works is when the Kinects do not overlap their FOV. The reason for not working is that the Kinect needs the speckle pattern that it project with the laser to be exactly as expected. When two kinects share the same 3d space then the speckle pattern from both kinects are mixed and they are unable to find their own pattern in the image.
More expensive Kinect like camera's use different infra-red spectrums per camera and adjusted band-pass filter so that the camera's only see their own speckle pattern.
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01-10-2014 11:54 AM #66
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01-10-2014 01:24 PM #67
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What about infrared reflective stickers? Much like the radar metallic stickers, although the use of cameras should allow tracking the stickers to find their axis of rotation.....eh?
If they tell me they're not using marked ball I'm going to say bull on the spin/spin axis measurement.
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01-11-2014 08:29 AM #68
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Would think this is what Simtech is using or maybe developed from
http://www.fullswinggolf.com/product...rformance-cam/
Still very vague description but it clearly state one high speed cam for spin and club head.
Guess that will mean the ball have to placed pretty accurate on the same spot for a zoomed in cam to catch the dimples.
Didn't find any reviews/ info from users?
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01-16-2014 11:07 AM #69
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Update from Sim tech employee paraphrased of course:
The dual camera system is not comparable to the ION spin cam.
Dual camera system currently measures all ball data and will later record swing (zoomed out?) as well.
They will be at the PGA show but not at a booth. Appointment to meet up and talk can be scheduled through email.
Proof of the accuracy of the measurements will be determined once they release the product, I guess.
I asked about how the measurement of spin/axis is determined (markings/dimples) and he said that there are no markings required but could not comment on whether their camera system recognizes dimples. Algorithms/high speed cameras/infrared lights are used to measure ball data. Your guess is as good as mine for the time being.
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01-16-2014 01:31 PM #70
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Maybe Corey will have some time to meet up with them and give us his impressions?
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02-12-2014 12:41 PM #71
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Any updates on this product? The ceiling mount would be good for me and would allow both left and right handed players, which is something I need. I know the floor models do this, but I would prefer not to build a platform since my room is upstairs and that would mean a step up in the room. I emailed Simtech on Monday about potential time frame, but no word yet. Hope my overactive spam filter has not caught it. Bubba22 and Zmax, can you hint whether the big changes coming will handle lefty/righty issues without a problem? I promise that is all I want to know. Thanks everyone.
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02-12-2014 12:59 PM #72
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my understanding is that it will not allow left and right at the same time. It will most likely be a floor model similar to the GC2.
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02-12-2014 01:17 PM #73
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Yes, from what they've said, the mystery LM will be similar to GC2, and won't handle left/right easily.
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02-12-2014 02:01 PM #74
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That's correct. But eventually, somebody will make an AboutGolf like device. Maybe Martin will get the Surround working or maybe somebody else. I highly doubt SimTech can measure spin though.
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02-12-2014 05:08 PM #75
There very well may be more than one new product out there. And from what I know, Simtech does not measure spin.
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02-13-2014 09:26 PM #76
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Well I am still waiting hoping something comes out to buy. I have one heck of a theater room right now just waiting to become a golf room. I bought a HQ screen material from Cory and am very pleased with it. Sewed it up myself and built some side foam panels.Love it. Great for 16x9 movies in HD or Blue ray for sure. Now just the darn sim system.
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02-21-2014 02:10 PM #77
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Just heard from the guys at Simtech. Here is what they said: "The time table for our release is going to be moving up into march. I will forward you information on pricing as it becomes available." I asked if they could provide details on what is measured versus estimated, but no response yet. That's all I know at this point in time.
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02-21-2014 09:09 PM #78
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02-21-2014 09:22 PM #79
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06-06-2014 03:19 AM #80
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any news?
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06-06-2014 08:24 AM #81
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website should be updated this week with news.
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06-25-2014 03:58 AM #82
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i found their website already updated, it will use two high speed cameras, maybe someone knows more info? Price tags or smth?
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06-26-2014 03:16 AM #83
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I asked for the price they told me "basic package which would include the tracking system as well as the SIM software the price is $5,049.99", unfortenutely i am not so good in tech spec, maybe someone knows if this sim would be accurate and so on?
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06-26-2014 07:30 AM #84
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There is really very little information on their web-site - which is too bad. It would be nice to see some more detailed information relative to system features, how it works, etc.
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06-26-2014 07:33 AM #85
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I emailed to get the price, someone should do the same to get info about system features and so on. I could do it, but i am not as good in these technical things as others here. It would be very interesting to get more information, maybe someone could write them?
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06-26-2014 07:42 AM #86
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I made a request via E-mail - we will see if we get a response.
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06-30-2014 08:00 AM #87
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Still no response.
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07-02-2014 09:02 AM #88
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Kball,
We are unable to find your email in our system. Can you please let us know where you sent it to. Thanks
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07-02-2014 09:20 AM #89
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I sent this email to Nick but haven't heard anything back:
Thanks Nick. Do you have any videos, whitepapers, etc that can explain the technology of what is measured and with what degree of accuracy? I have no idea how it works right now. I might be interested in buying one if you have a reasonable return policy.
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07-02-2014 09:28 AM #90
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