Follow up to last weeks rules contest.

[twister]

Just a follow up question to last weeks answer.

Say that A holes a putt, and B has a putt to tie the hole. A then picks up B's ball is
A peanalized 1 stroke for picking up the ball or is the hole halved? (Assume this is a match play situation)

This could be very important if the match was dormie.

[Colby]

What happens if A had conceded the putt?

[twister]

Well according to my interpretation of the rules, if A picks up the ball without first saying that they are conceding the hole, then they would be penalized. So it is imperative that A announces that they are conceding the hole before picking up the ball. Otherwise B could turn around and call the penalty on A and then one putt to win the hole.

[Kilroy]

The act of picking up the ball is the concession. Dumb move for A. Let him putt it for a half.

[twister]

If the act of picking up the ball is the concession then from last weeks contest, the putt was conceded therefore the opponent wins the hole and there is no penalty.

[broken27]

The act of picking up the ball is the concession. Dumb move for A. Let him putt it for a half.

If the act of picking up the ball is the concession then from last weeks contest, the putt was conceded therefore the opponent wins the hole and there is no penalty.

2-4/4 Whether Picking Up Opponent’s Ball Is Concession of Next Stroke
Q. In match play, A holes a putt and, thinking he has won the match, picks up B’s ball. B then advises A that he (B) had a putt to win the hole. Did A concede B’s next stroke when he picked up B’s ball?

A. No. A incurred a penalty stroke under Rule 18-3b; B must replace his ball and now has two putts to win the hole.

Hope that clarifies it...

Dan

[Kilroy]

18-3. Ball at rest moved by Opponent, Caddie or Equipment in Match Play
If, other than during search for a player’s ball, an opponent, his caddie or his equipment moves the ball, touches it purposely or causes it to move, except as otherwise provided in the Rules, the opponent incurs a penalty of one stroke. If the ball is moved, it must be replaced.

So I guess you cannot pick up your opponents ball to conceed the stroke. My bad.
You'd think I'd have known that after the rules question.

[jbrace]

18-3. Ball at rest moved by Opponent, Caddie or Equipment in Match Play
If, other than during search for a player’s ball, an opponent, his caddie or his equipment moves the ball, touches it purposely or causes it to move, except as otherwise provided in the Rules, the opponent incurs a penalty of one stroke. If the ball is moved, it must be replaced.

So I guess you cannot pick up your opponents ball to conceed the stroke. My bad.
You'd think I'd have known that after the rules question.

This is all assuming that Player A has not actually said anything, correct? I always thought that once a player makes it clear (verbally) that he/she is conceding the opponents next shot, then that's it. They can pick the ball up, flick it with their putter, or whatever; as long as he has verbally made it clear that he is conceding the stroke. If player A says nothing and just picks up Player B's ball, then that's a penalty. Am I understanding this?

P.S. Where do I find the weekly rules contests???

[broken27]

This is all assuming that Player A has not actually said anything, correct? I always thought that once a player makes it clear (verbally) that he/she is conceding the opponents next shot, then that's it. They can pick the ball up, flick it with their putter, or whatever; as long as he has verbally made it clear that he is conceding the stroke. If player A says nothing and just picks up Player B's ball, then that's a penalty. Am I understanding this?

P.S. Where do I find the weekly rules contests???

I am not sure that it matters if Player A picks up Player B's ball if the match has been decided. If A sinks it in 3 and B is lying 4 on the last hole, then A can not possibly lose the match.

Rules contest is linked from main Ottawagolf.com page

Dan

[Gary Hill]

I am not sure that it matters if Player A picks up Player B's ball if the match has been decided. If A sinks it in 3 and B is lying 4 on the last hole, then A can not possibly lose the match.

What if it is discovered that Player A has 15 clubs in his bag?

[Colby]

What if it is discovered that Player A has 15 clubs in his bag?

Player B can beat him with the extra club?

[broken27]

What if it is discovered that Player A has 15 clubs in his bag?

Would this have any impact on the application of the rule for improperly picking up the ball?

Dan

[Kilroy]

I think that's it.

[Colby]

Ahhh, got it now. Thanks Gary.