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    Well I haven't received a confirmation of the ball measurement during normal shots, but it does measure ball speed and direction for the putts (the ball is placed behind the sensor for putts).

    I'll take a video and post the confirmation as soon as I can get a chance. (Probably after Xmas).

    Happy Holidays Everyone!
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    Hey All,

    Happy Boxing Day! I hope everyone got everything on their golf wish list this year!

    I just got confirmation that the Trainer ONLY measures the club for all shots except the putts (putts measure the ball speed and direction).

    I hope to get a video of the system within the next week or so

    Cheers,
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    Wow that's kinda a let down? I was almost sure I saw someone say before it measured ball direction, ball speed or both for all shots.
    $3000 and no ball reading(except putts)?

    Can someone explain why you would pay $2400 more over say the P3pro for the Trainer? P3pro reads more than it too right?
    Kinda clueless here! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by golfun View Post
    Wow that's kinda a let down? I was almost sure I saw someone say before it measured ball direction, ball speed or both for all shots.
    $3000 and no ball reading(except putts)?

    Can someone explain why you would pay $2400 more over say the P3pro for the Trainer? P3pro reads more than it too right?
    Kinda clueless here! lol
    No to your first question. Second question is yes however the few extra club data you get from P3pro do not factor into the ball flight so are not used to improve any better accuracy.

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    Thanks bubba! Always helpful.

    So what is the advantage of the Trainer then? Like if you were trying to sell it to me over opti and p3 what would they be? (especially for a lot more money)

    Par2Pro wanna take a shot at it?

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    The only advantage would be the shadow technology ( no need to tape club, slight less lighting issues etc) vs the reflective technology. The disadvantage is the cost and slight more involved setup.

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    Doesn't the trainer's price include the net, stance mat, putting strip, light...etc.?

    I believe that's how they see it fine to charge what they're asking. P3Pro at $600 (price golfun's quoted in above post) doesn't have any of that, if I'm remembering correct.

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    Your absolutely right Goat. Comparing apples to oranges.

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    goatbarn your correct!

    Just to follow up and throw it out there.
    A large very nice hitting net- $200
    Super nice Fiberbuilt Stance Mat- $400 (there's doesn't look that good)
    Light and ball feeder- $100.
    =$700

    $600+$700=$1300

    Still a $1,700 difference. So that shadow sensor break technology must be good.

    Bubba this system would actually be good for playing with multiple people using all types of clubs and different shaped drivers! Forget about the hassle of trying to make them all work. That's assuming this Trainer actually works well.

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    So Golf you are suggesting Trugolf charge around $1300-2000 for the Trainer? You do make some good points!

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    Package deals will always be more expensive especially when a company isn't actually manufacturing all the parts, as I expect Trugolf does with these things.

    That's why DIY'ers can always save some $$.

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    That's interesting.

    I just looked up the comparable package deal from P3pro (with stance and net) and it is $1800. So your right, there is the mark up on packages!
    So from that point there is a $1200 difference.
    Optishot's package (Net, Mat and Driver) is only $900. So that is a $2100 difference.


    I just think people right now are constantly looking for more shot feedback (including ball reading) in a more reasonable package. So another club-tracking-only sim really only looks good to me because of no club taping required.

    Goatbarn you are right and it would be nice if they just sold the Simulator Pad with the Light.

    I can't wait to hear a review about it, especially how well it works compared to Opti and P3.

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    Hey All,

    There should be a few differences between the P3Pro & Trainer...

    The Trainer will feature:
    1. No club taping
    2. The ability to have more light in the room
    3. No tee height input
    4. Ability to fully integrate with a number of launch monitors (not just the Vector)
    5. Ability to use the data from the integrated launch monitor for ball flight (not just data)
    6. E6 Lite software that is also upgradable to the E6 Full version for $1k more

    The P3Pro features:
    1. Directly measures the height of the club for angle of attack & vertical impact position on the club face
    2. Three different surface options including a very durable and realist commercial grade fiber grass top
    3. Integrated video capture software in their base software (very beneficial)
    4. Red Chain software with a lot more camera views
    5. No overhead light required

    Hopefully that helps, but feel free to contact me at cory@par2pro.com for more info.

    PS: I am still in a cast so can't test out the Trainer yet, but will try to get some videos of the components done this weekend

    Happy Holidays,
    Cory

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    What reasonable Launch Monitors can connect to the Trainer?

    Club Head with Ball measurements sounds like a good package! That sounds like the big draw to me.

    The Trainer has 24 sensors. The P3 has 65 optics. But I think the Shadow sensors would be superior to Infrared because simply breaking a beam of light in a way, compared to trying to reflect properly and send it back to the receiver.
    Shadow technology seems like it could measure club face angle much more accurately, and that's over the wide range of clubs!

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    vector and trackman are two that I know off of the top of my head. It's the same for the regular Trugolf. Also Flightscope will work I guess.

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    That's right bubs - Vector Pro, Flightscope X1/X2, and Trackman.

    The P3Pro has 32 emitters and 33 detectors.

    If taped properly and if the lighting is right in the room is right, the face angle could be equally as measured as shadow technology.

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    Yes it's half send and half receive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Par2Pro View Post
    If taped properly and if the lighting is right in the room is right, the face angle could be equally as measured as shadow technology.
    Keyword "If" lol So many aspects can reduce infrared's accuracy. And then the online battle begins as whether the problem is me or the device I'm trying to set up!
    In that perspective, the big selling point of the Trainer should be a lot easier setup. Adjust the lighting and your done. Instead of figuring out how to setup and troubleshoot both your clubs and the Simulator properly, you just have to worry about setting up the unit.
    Even thou it's more expensive that is a really big draw.

    I can't wait to hear how it works when your legs better Par2Pro! Speedy recovery

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    My feeling is that the Trainer will be a better unit (albeit more expensive) than the P3pro. I too await a review from Cory or anyone else.

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    Hey All,

    Got a quick second to get a video of the components:
    http://youtu.be/KvqTTYzqaU0

    Won't be able to test until early January, but will try to get a video of it in use as soon as possible

    Cheers,
    Cory

    PS: I just noticed that the uploaded video is much darker than the original so I will try to get another one with better lighting

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    Cory, the Trainer uses a Trutrac-mini pad vs the normal Trutrac pad is that correct? If so, is there a difference?
    Last edited by ZMax; 12-29-2012 at 09:45 PM.

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    Good question!

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    They are two different sizes, have different connections and we know that the Trainer doesn't have the capability to use the microphones, but am not positive on how much of the guts are the same. I'll see what I can dig up.

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    Wouldn't the standup light be kinda distracting right in front of you? Can't you maybe bump into it too in your swing?

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    It sits on the side of the mat across from you so you shouldn't hit it; however, putting and chipping may be a little weird with the lamp being close to your head - I'll have to try it out and see what happens. At the show they had the lamp much lower.

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    Can the light be angled at all so you have more room?
    I know chipping you can really be over the top of the ball.

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    The light position is very specific - it should be centered over the front edge of the TruTrac Sensor

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    Any updates on this? I was always curious how the accuracy worked out.

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    Good bump DF...

    We have not been able to get the testing done yet, but should have time in late April / early May to do so.

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    Still curious if anyone has actually tried one of these out yet. I think it's an interesting unit, even at the price "IF" it actually proved to be any more accurate than DD/P3/etc...

    I notice they took it off of their website, so I guess it didn't end up working.

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    Sorry guys, still on the TO DO list for May... will post soon (hopefully).

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