Tiger's drop on the Par 5 Fri at the Masters

[tigger12]

When Tiger took his drop it looked to be very near a hazard line on his left. When he set up it looked to me like his back heel was very close to the line. My question is if his heel was on the hazard line does that constitute not taking total relief? If that is the case should he have dropped again?
What constitutes total relief?

[Chambokl]

I saw that and was wondering... but he was in a different hazard, if that makes any sense or was it all the same hazard??

[LobWedge]

When Tiger took his drop it looked to be very near a hazard line on his left. When he set up it looked to me like his back heel was very close to the line. My question is if his heel was on the hazard line does that constitute not taking total relief? If that is the case should he have dropped again?
What constitutes total relief?

Apologies, I have to correct myself. You are allowed to stand in a hazard to play a ball outside of it, even if you have taken relief from that hazard. Interference only applies to abnormal ground conditions, obstructions, etc.

[byerxa]

It may have been the camera angle/optical illusion, but it appeared to me he dropped to the right of the line from the pin through the POE. You could see where he put a tee in at the POE and then looked like to me he dropped to the right of the line to avoid going back further than he did.

[tigger12]

I agree the ball was outside the red hazard line spray painted on the grass. but I looked at the video again today and it looked like his feet were on the hazard line. I thought you had to take complete relief, which meant your feet had to be outside the hazard. My guess is Tiger knows the rules way better than I do.

[AAA]

Complete relief is only applicable if the relief is free of penalty. eg GUR, Cart Path
It does not apply to relief with a penalty. eg water hazard, unplayable

[jeffc]

Makes sense as Rose did the same thing yesterday at 15

[1972Apex]

I'm sure Tiger knows the rules.... he's had enough experience at dropping lately, he could teach a class on it!

[BC MIST]

Makes sense as Rose did the same thing yesterday at 15

Yes he did.

When taking relief from a water hazard, yellow stakes/lines, one must drop the ball "behind" the hazard keeping the point of entry between the hole and the player. Normally, one would have to play over the water hazard to get to the hole. In Justin's case, he aligned his dropping point with where the ball last crossed the hazard margin, but actually played well out to the right because of the slope of the green, and did not have to play across any part of the hazard, which is unusual.

[Wknd_Warrior]

while we're talking about taking releif, can you improve your lie do to taking a drop? I was on the cart path near a green, the nearest point of releif no closer to the hole was on the green side of thecart path, and within a club length I could drop on the actual green. We talked abou t it at the time and al more lor less agreed it was a legal drop. I actually dropped it in the rough, but the guy I was playing with pointed that out.

[gbower]

When you take relief from a cart path you get one club length from your nearest point of relief and not closer to the hole. You can't drop and have the ball come to rest in a hazard or on the putting green so you couldn't drop on the green in this situation. You don't have to drop in the rough unless that is the area of your one club length of your nearest point of relief. Sometimes the rules can work for you.

[Wknd_Warrior]

so you can improve your lie, just not onto the green. Cool

[gbower]

Not sure what you mean by improve your lie but if you don't always have to drop in the rough unless that's the area that your drop area is. Even if you dropped in the rough and your ball happened to roll less than two club lengths from where it touched the ground and not closer to the hole and it happened to be in the short grass (not putting green) then you're lucky.

[Wknd_Warrior]

if the cart path is in the rough, but the closest point of releif no closer to the hole is the fairway side of the path, then less than a club length let's me drop on the fairway, that's fair game. That's what I'm getting.

[gbower]

You've got it right.

[Wknd_Warrior]

kewl

[BC MIST]

while we're talking about taking releif, can you improve your lie do to taking a drop? I was on the cart path near a green, the nearest point of releif no closer to the hole was on the green side of thecart path, and within a club length I could drop on the actual green. We talked abou t it at the time and al more lor less agreed it was a legal drop. I actually dropped it in the rough, but the guy I was playing with pointed that out.

As pointed out, in this scenario, you are not allowed to drop a ball on the putting green.

Now, can you think of a scenario where you would be allowed to drop the ball on the putting green?

[spidey]

I'll take a stab....

- Ball comes to rest in tree overhanging a green. Player elects to drop within 2 clublengths of the vertical spot where the ball lies. The entire area within 2 clublengths of the ball is within the green. Ball must be dropped on the green.

- Green is adjacent to lateral hazard. Last point where the ball crossed the margin of the hazard is on the green. Player elects to drop within 2 clublengths of the point at which the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard, which is on the green. Ball must be dropped.

....I'm guessing there are other scenarios.