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03-13-2011 01:10 PM #31
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03-13-2011 01:11 PM #32
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03-13-2011 04:58 PM #33
Not ignoring the fact that he was hit without the puck. Such is called 'Interference' and that call - the correct call was made.
Wrt not having a rink yet without such dangerous stanchions, this is exactly my point - but minimizing their potential danger is definitely doable with some engineering ingenuity. As per Kings GM Dean Lombarday in the Ottawa Sun today - "There are engineers who will tell you they can round the stanchions off as opposed to having a hard edge". He also will propose elimating player bench doorways at the GM meetings coming up. And Don Cherry has suggested that the glass at these locations should be angled 130+ degrees. All this in the attempt to keep players in the field of play as opposed to having the potential to fly out of it to a violent, or worse fatal, end."If profanity had any influence on the flight of the ball, the game of golf would be a lot easier than it is" - Horace Hutchinson (1903)
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03-14-2011 07:32 AM #34
I've scanned the posts in this thread and I'm not sure if this has come up -- my apologies if it has -- but, regardless of intent, regardless of the positioning of the stanchions, the bottom line is that this was a HEAD SHOT. It doesn't matter that Chara is nine inches taller than the Montreal player, it's about being responsible, just as any player is responsible for his stick, even if he inadvertently nicks someone in the face -- it's still a penalty because you have to be responsible for your stick.
Why is it that the NHL has gone on and on about head shots this year (and last), but one of the worst head shots we've seen doesn't seem to be classified as one, and therefore wasnt' suspendable. Does anyone else find this as incongruous as I do?www.chapeaunoirgolf.com
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03-14-2011 08:24 AM #35
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03-14-2011 09:54 AM #36
Chara stated - "I did not intend to injure".....kinda believed him, they he stated in the same sentence, "I did not even realize it was Patch".....that is total BS and makes me question anything he says.....
He knew exactly where he was, patch touches the puck before the blue line, Chara directs him towards turnbuckle at red line and gives an extra push at the end....brutal....
Also doesn't help that Colin Campbell son plays on Boston.......
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03-14-2011 09:57 AM #37
It was not a head shot though. Chara did not target or hit Pacioretty's head. The overhead view on this video shows clearly that Chara never makes contact with Pacioretty's head, which is why the NHL was unable to use its headshot rule.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jimZ1tSdPY0
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03-14-2011 10:30 AM #38
From what I have read in the past, you have played hockey. Have you played competitively for a long time full contact? If I’m not mistaken you are a goalie but if you have played contact hockey for a long period of time can you honestly tell me that you have never had teammates deliberately take the opportunity to hit a competitor from the bench level on both ends of the bench so that he hits the corner glass? I have seen it and have heard some discussion after some of those hits where our D successfully executed such a play intentionally. There are hundreds of those hits on YouTube where you can see the intent. Chara new what he was doing IMO and when some of the best players in the league points out that you are aware of your surroundings, they know by experience.Last edited by mberube; 03-14-2011 at 11:31 AM.
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03-14-2011 10:54 AM #39Originally Posted by jeffc
All I’m saying is that to start in was an interference call. That interference caused an injury. That should be an automatic minimum 1 game suspension. The same way a stick to the face in 2 minutes but a cut is an automatic 4 minutes. Then the player is on record.Last edited by mberube; 03-14-2011 at 11:33 AM.
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03-14-2011 10:56 AM #40
The best reference to real fine consequences. Well said and totally agree.
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03-14-2011 10:57 AM #41
first of all only Chara knew what he was doing. Everything else is pure speculation. Secondly, regarding knowing your surroundings, MaxPac should have known them as well. I had read that Montreal players know that that area is one to avoid on the ice and routinely avoid going there. Furthermore, the commentator in the clip above indicates that it is a dangerous part of the ice. So what does MaxPac do? he skates towards that area knowing Chara is racing there too. I'm not blaming the victim here, but knowing your surroundings goes both ways.
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03-14-2011 11:00 AM #42
The difference is one is actually a rule, the other is not. He did receive a 5 min and a game so in fact he was penalized. I'm not sure what a 1 game suspension would do. That being said, the NHL is all over the map with regards to suspensions and it would be nice to see some sort of guidelines for suspensions so they are not so subjective.
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03-14-2011 11:34 AM #43
A 1 or 2 game suspension would have at least made him or any other player responsible. This way nobody is satisfied. The Habs want more, the B’s fans want less. With no suspension it’s often settled on the ice with devastating results. Just like the Naslund, Bertuzzi, Moore incident. I’m not comparing the incidents because they are miles apart but it would be interesting to see the outcome if the NHL had suspended Moore for what he did to Naslund. Payback on the ice would have probably never taken place.
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03-14-2011 12:53 PM #44
well I don't think 1-2 games would have made anyone happy and I don't think it was deserved. As for Bertuzzi, we can speculate all we want but we'll never know. I also didn't think a suspension was warranted for the hit on Naslund either. Naslund put himself in a vulnerable position and paid the price. Scott Stevens made a career out of those kinds of hits and everything thought he was a hero.
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03-14-2011 05:44 PM #45
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...except that he didn't "skate towards that area". When you watch the video you will see that the puck is about 10-20 feet away from "that area" and that is where both players are skating towards. It isn't until the puck is long gone that "the area" comes into play - hence the interference call.
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03-14-2011 06:56 PM #46
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03-14-2011 08:21 PM #47
It was a deliberate hit , which unfortunately ended up in a terrible injury.
Had it had been Ovechkin or Crosby , guaranteed Chara would have been suspended.At the end of the day ... It gets dark
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03-14-2011 09:46 PM #48
Haven't we seen two head shots on Crosby that went uncalled and unsuspended this year? Every hit is deliberate, but I have a very hard time believing Chara had all the thoughts from the previous games, knew who was skating towards him and just happened to have the perfect spot on the rink in that split second to deliver that hit in retribution. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Chara have a hold of MP a couple time in the last few games ? I'm pretty sure if he really wanted to hurt him he could have done so easily with his fists, stick or hit in other opportunities he had in that game or games before this incident. Just my opinion.
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03-14-2011 09:59 PM #49
Chara tried to pull Max out of a scrum and you could tell he was angry and was gonna rough up Max but a linesman noticed and helped him knowing he was in trouble. Then later that period he slashed Max to the back of the ankle he limped off and didn't come back till the next period, i'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing, those guys are too good not to.
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03-14-2011 11:48 PM #50
Could it not be argued that Chara is also to good to chance any length of suspension with playoff positioning very much in play ? I mean if he can think in a split second of trying to hurt MP in that situation. I don't find it unreasonable that he could think of the possible consequences as well. We are talking about the captain of (arguably) a cup contender with no prior incidents in 13 years. As a Habs fan I'm not entirely surprised that you can't see both sides of this incident. Know one likes to see there players go down no matter how it happens.
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03-15-2011 08:00 AM #51
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03-15-2011 09:39 AM #52
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03-15-2011 09:53 AM #53
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03-15-2011 10:03 AM #54
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03-15-2011 10:07 AM #55
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03-15-2011 11:04 AM #56
Sorry to get off topic a little but the Steckle hit on Crosby was all Crosby's fault. Talk about falling asleep at the wheel, he turned his head looking over his shoulder to follow the puck and skated into Steckle. For the league's best player to do something that dumb is unreal imo.
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03-15-2011 12:56 PM #57
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03-15-2011 01:03 PM #58
I haven't met a Habs fan yet that isn't calling for Chara's head or that can look at this objectively - am I surprised by that - likely no, since Habs fans are obviously very passionate. I'm not shooting down everyone's opinion, I am simply stating that only Chara know's for sure of his intent - everyone against him seems to be able to read his mind. I have no idea what his intent was, nor does anyone else for that matter but people keep saying they do.
Hey, if it were Alfie on the end of that check I'd be ** too, and it would possibly skew my view of the situation. As it stands, I have no vested interest in any of this, just a hockey fan. Habs fans should be mad at the owners, for having a rink that has the potential to cause that type of injury whether or not it was intentional or not and at the NHL for not doing more to provide a safer environment for their players.I got a fever. And the only prescription is more golf equipment.
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03-15-2011 04:39 PM #59
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03-15-2011 07:09 PM #60
No argument here. You would find an argument from others though. I'm only replying to the comment that the league would have suspended Chara had it been Crosby or Ovechkin. It was pure speculation and is an easy cop out argument I hear every time a "questionable" play occurs.
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