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12-30-2010 12:58 AM #121
Once again, a simple thing that is an easy software fix.
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12-30-2010 02:15 AM #122
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ZMax,
I hate to mess with buying a new CPU or a new computer just for the golf sim if I can get some life out of the current system. Right now, the XPS 400 is the "third string" computer at our house. Both my son and I have desktops with i7 processors and 6 GB of RAM. I have an Nvidia GTS 240 video card in mine, and he has a GTX 285 for gaming. I don't really want to switch either of those to the golf area.
You don't think I can boost up the performance of the XPS 400 enough to run the virtual courses with a RAM upgrade and a new graphics card ?
SDL
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12-30-2010 03:29 AM #123
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12-30-2010 08:57 AM #124
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I expect the hardware companies would fight it, but the sim software companies might go for it. If they published a spec, then the hardware folks could either write to it and be able to keep up with the latest and greatest sims or languish on old versions. I think the sim companies would like this as they get the opportunity to sell direct to the customer and keep the mark up and instead of the hardware folk adding a large mark up on the software simply because they are bundling it with their hardware.
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12-30-2010 06:53 PM #125
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OK, maybe there was no sound of the ball fallining the cup after all.
Here's what just happened:
I had a 15ft putt off the fringe that hit the flagstick and bounced back a few inches. I decided to play it back. On replay, I can hear the sound of the ball hitting the flagstick. There was no sound earlier when it happened in real time.
I had also made a putt earlier and there was no sound of the ball falling in the cup, just people clapping.
Just another thing to add to the list of problems that will probably never get fixed. The courses should never have been released. People should stop buying the courses until these problems get fixed.Last edited by Kilroy; 12-30-2010 at 07:41 PM.
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12-30-2010 07:16 PM #126
I hear ya ZMax. The interface needs work for sure. Again its really just the little sloppy things like you are pointing out.
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12-30-2010 07:25 PM #127
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I'm ready to move on to something else.
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12-30-2010 07:29 PM #128
ZMax did you happen to speak to the P3pro folks?
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12-30-2010 07:32 PM #129
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12-30-2010 07:43 PM #130
Just read again and it sounds like there was really no advancement talking to them. I know that in the new year, probably in the next 2 months I will be moving to a new sim. The expectations with the P3pro just have not come through. I think they have lots of potential, in fact huge potential. My big issue has always been getting a launch angle measurement and that, by the looks of it, may never happen with the P3pro. How long is someone expected to wait with really no end in sight and no positive communication from the company?
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12-30-2010 07:59 PM #131
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Nope, no real advancement. He acknowledge the problem with terrain penalties but that was it.
How big is this company? How is it that a guy from tech support doesn't have a clue about product updates? Even if they eventually come out with a fix for the sand penalties, do you think they add a sand blast or flop shot, so that the ball doesn't hit off a 1 ft lip? I think not.
With there track record, we'll be lucky if we get any fix in 6 months. How long have the courses been out now? Sept.?
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12-30-2010 08:10 PM #132
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12-30-2010 09:16 PM #133
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Just to confirm - I do not hear the ball going into the cup when utilizing the GSA courses.
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12-31-2010 09:53 PM #134
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Well, today I loaded the GSA courses to see if they will run on my outdated computer. Courses tend to load quite slowly, flybys are a bit jerky at times, and there are fairly long delays when switching between some parts of the program -- but it does work!
I didn't mess with the default graphics set-up, so it might run better (or worse) with other settings. I only had a chance to look briefly for a manual to explain a few features and settings, but I didn't find one. Is there a manual, and if so where can I find it?
I haven't had a chance to experience all of the performance problems described in this thread, but I'm sure I'll share in the pain after the "honeymoon" period ends. For today, though, I've seen the great potential of the P3Pro as a sim, which is why several owners are so frustrated with the missed opportunities for making this a really great product.
I had a chance to play Turnberry today, and it was great fun! I played this course for real in 2000 with my brother, and it's one of my favorite courses in the world. The GSA sim doesn't fully convey all the elevation changes and the truly stunning beauty of the seaside holes, but it gets me close enough to make it an enjoyable experience. I just have to remember that golf sims are still "not quite golf" and hope that they can continue to get more and more realistic without costing me too much money.
Thanks to those of you on this forum who have helped me get this far in reviving my old P3Pro set-up -- and HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!
SDL
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12-31-2010 10:05 PM #135
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Glad to see that you're up and running. If you're up for a challenge, try Akron from the back tees. Nice course but tough. For me, it was driver, 3 wood, then LW on just about every par 4.
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01-01-2011 11:27 AM #136
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Zmax-- I played that course from the back tees over the summer in real life. Couldn't reach a lot of the par 4's in 2 and the greens were lightning fast. It's amazing how much harder the pro courses really are! I think this course on the sim is actually pretty realistic. I enjoy the graphics, but the greens are too flat-- just like in most of the GSA courses on the P3Pro.
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01-14-2011 03:01 PM #137blackfireGuest
Hey everyone,
I have the P3Pro without GSA for the moment but planning to get them soon. I don't realy care about flat green as it is a SIM and putting in a SIM is not realistic at all anyway. Also I do not care about launch angle For a SIM cause you know you did'nt hit it well but who gives a ..... It a SIM.
OK I'd like to know if you can select an option to practice so that once you have a shot lets say 155 yards to the green and you what to practice this shot so you click on a button and you're in practice mode and you do the same shot all and all until you click on the practice button again then you get back to normal playing. This option is available on the GSA simulation of Martin Gardiner(GGS-GSA).
Other then sand trap problem, flat greens and some sound that are not so great is they're big problem with normal shot driver, irons and chiping.
By the way intergration with Vector is great cause you get launch angle, ball speed, ball speen and azimuth better than zelocity and for lower cost. 3000$ plus 2000 for a P3Pro and you get accurate ball and club data for 5000 with great SIM.
GC2 is verry great but for 10 000$ you don't have club data and just a few courses.
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01-14-2011 03:27 PM #138
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01-14-2011 05:45 PM #139
I agree ZMax. Blackfire I am not sure I understand your thoughts. You don't care about launch angle yet you are talking about the Vectort as well as the GC2? I for one think that the ball data is extremely important in simulation. Understanding what the ball does will make it more realistic. Will it be perfect, no I agree. However getting club and ball data (especially ball data) will improve the realism. Although debatable I would suggest knowing the ball launch, direction, speed and spin are critical imformation to know in order to determine the ball flight. I do think that having this info and the right algoryths for ball flight will improve the accuracy and realism of the sim.
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01-14-2011 06:40 PM #140
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Last edited by readygolf; 02-23-2012 at 08:01 AM.
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01-14-2011 07:25 PM #141blackfireGuest
I think your insulting me and the P3Pro with this comment.
P3Pro is a verry good swing analyser.
Yes it would be great to have all the ball data but It's better then nothing and you can play the 2 courses included if you whant to use the launch angle to work. But I understand that for you guys that have the launch angle it must be frustrating that it's not intergrated but I'm not sure that we sould'nt buy the courses because of that. I dont have the launch angle yet. I'm waiting for Vector pro to be intergrated but I hope they will intergrate more then launch angle for 3000$
Sorry as english is not my primary langage and maybe what you read is not exacly what I whant to say.
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01-14-2011 07:30 PM #142
Thanks for the info readygolf. I am glad that p3pro is reading these comments. For the most part the comments are not negative in fact they are geared towards improving a good product. I am not sure I understand what you mean by he knows our names. Is that a threat? I really hope they will come through with a new launch add on and a vector integration. I really wonder what will happen with the owners of the old launch add on? I hope they will have that integration to GSA as well. All I can say is that some users have been able to correct some of the flaws in the P3pro GSA courses and hopefully P3pro just acknowledges that there are issues and works on correcting them. That is really all.
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01-14-2011 07:33 PM #143
Probably just a misunderstanding Blackfire. If what you are saying is that you don't care for just the launch add on and really are waiting for the vector integration, I understand.
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01-14-2011 07:53 PM #144
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01-14-2011 07:57 PM #145
Further more to the P3pro comments. I personally was upset because I invested a lot of money into the p3pro for specific reasons. I bought the launch add on, grass top and GSA courses to find out that they discontinued the launch add on with no feedback as to why and what was happening. As well the GSA courses did not have the launch integration at all. Finally the GSA courses have many flaws and are not working as well as with other sims. Many sims have the GSA courses and have good integration, so its possible. I understand that it is not easy integrating courses however one of the members on this board has made some very nice tweaks of the P3pro GSA that have greatly improved the GSA courses. Why could P3pro not have done that? Perhaps they should speak to that member. Look I endorse the sim however as a customer constructive negative comments should be used to improve the quality of the sim.
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01-14-2011 08:04 PM #146
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Why didn't Jay just come on here and discuss the issues with his customers?
I really question #4, but if all of it is true, then good for you and all P3pro/GSA owners. Too bad for me as I've ready returned my courses. Too bad the only tech support guy working there or sales people didn't know about any of this 2 weeks ago. If they had told me all of this then, I might have kept my courses. Darn it...
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01-14-2011 08:05 PM #147
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01-14-2011 08:59 PM #148
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I have also heard from Jay Russo, and agree he is a very nice guy who is truly trying to work with his customers. I think this stuff takes time, and I am confident that improvements will come. In my opinion, the unit is great, and so are the two courses. The virtual courses are just too unrealistic in my opinion for $1,000. The launch angle would be great, but I think that is a secondary concern. Sand play, rough, and trees mean nothing, so it is like playing golf in an open field with a flag 400 yards away. If these things are fixed, I will look at buying the courses back.
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01-14-2011 09:03 PM #149
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Also, I think Jay reads this forum because he understands the value of it. I would have never purchased P3Pro if it wasn't for the input of bubba22 and others who spoke so highly of it. I am sure others feel the same way. There is not a better golf sim forum on the internet, and I think it is safe to say that sales are won and lost based on our opinions and feedback.
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01-14-2011 09:37 PM #150
I think you are right Bruce. I hope p3pro continues to improve. Like the dd, the p3pro are good sims but there is always room for improvement. For the P3pro it really is the GSA courses.
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