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09-01-2004 06:48 AM #31
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09-01-2004 07:42 AM #32
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Originally Posted by spidey
Now, add to that the stance being on a cart path, GUR or casual water, or the ball lying in CW or GUR, then it seems that the exception would apply because it is clearly unreasonable for the golfer to make a stroke because of where he put the ball and not the 3 possible conditions.
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09-01-2004 08:01 AM #33Big_duckGuestOriginally Posted by BC MIST
OK, the ball is unplayable. Under Penalty of one stroke, I drop the ball within two club lengths, no nearer to the hole on the cartpath am I entitled to free relief from the cart path?
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09-01-2004 08:12 AM #34
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09-01-2004 08:26 AM #35Originally Posted by BC MIST
Now you are saying "in between the roots at the bottom, but clearly in a position where a reasonable shot anywhere is virtually impossible."
These are two completely different scenarios.
In the first case, a sideways stroke is reasonable. A player whose sideways stance is interferred with by any of the conditions mentioned gets free relief under the applicable Rule.
In the second scenario, no shot is reasonable. Therefore, no free relief can be taken under Rule 24-2b or Rule 25-1 because of the exceptions to each of the Rules.
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09-01-2004 05:35 PM #36
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Originally Posted by Gary Hill
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09-01-2004 05:47 PM #37
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Originally Posted by Big_duck
Another FC, watching this scenario take place from near the putting, berated me for allowing the above to take place as the final place of rest for the ball was several feet from the original lie. Later, the rules official for the tournament confirmed that what had transpired was the correct procedure.
I am still looking for the FC that was by the green, in order to fill him in.
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09-02-2004 11:28 AM #38Originally Posted by BC MIST
Ground Under Repair
“Ground under repair’’ is any part of the course so marked by order of the Committee or so declared by its authorized representative. It includes material piled for removal and a hole made by a greenkeeper, even if not so marked.
All ground and any grass, bush, tree or other growing thing within the ground under repair is part of the ground under repair. The margin of ground under repair extends vertically downward, but not upward. Stakes and lines defining ground under repair are in such ground. Such stakes are obstructions. A ball is in ground under repair when it lies in or any part of it touches the ground under repair.[color=blue]s[/color][color=red]p[/color][color=blue]i[/color][color=red]d[/color][color=blue]e[/color][color=red]y[/color]
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09-02-2004 11:43 AM #39
Spidey -
Sorry, but I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
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09-02-2004 01:26 PM #40
Must be I'm trying too hard.
My understanding is that BC MIST is saying that if you are in GUR or CW, and you do not have an unrestricted swing at your ball, then you don't get relief from the GUR or CW. Perhaps I am just reading too much into it.
I'm pretty sure that any tree, bush, grass, sod, stump, stone, branch or any loose impediment which is in CW or GUR is itself part of the CW or GUR. No?[color=blue]s[/color][color=red]p[/color][color=blue]i[/color][color=red]d[/color][color=blue]e[/color][color=red]y[/color]
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09-02-2004 02:34 PM #41Originally Posted by spidey
All ground and any grass, bush, tree or other growing thing within the ground under repair is part of the ground under repair.
We have to be very clear about what we are talking about.
BC MIST has gotten himself into trouble by lumping too many things together, just as you have done by lumping sod, stones, branches, and loose impediments into GUR.
I believe your point is:
If you cannot make a stroke at the ball because of a tree and that tree is within the margin of ground under repair, you DO get relief under Rule 25-1.
You are correct. Your ball lies in ground under repair and you get relief.
The tree is part of the abnormal ground condition.
Therefore, it cannot also be "anything other than an abnormal ground condition".
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09-02-2004 02:43 PM #42
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Originally Posted by Gary Hill
I guess from now on I will just shutup and do what I am told.
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09-02-2004 02:49 PM #43
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Originally Posted by BC MIST
This is a wonderful thread. I've learnt a lot from it. As Gary often points out, take the rules step by step and things shall fall into place.nice_lag
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09-02-2004 03:50 PM #44Originally Posted by BC MIST
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09-02-2004 07:16 PM #45
Rule #1 - Don't hit it there.
Rule #2 - If you do hit it there, chainsaw.When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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09-03-2004 08:00 AM #46
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Originally Posted by LobWedge
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09-03-2004 09:38 AM #47Originally Posted by BC MIST
Last edited by spidey; 09-03-2004 at 09:58 AM. Reason: grammar
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09-03-2004 09:49 AM #48Originally Posted by Rules[color=blue]s[/color][color=red]p[/color][color=blue]i[/color][color=red]d[/color][color=blue]e[/color][color=red]y[/color]
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09-03-2004 09:56 AM #49Originally Posted by BC MIST
Luckily for us, you play plenty of competitive rounds and have a chance to see conditions and combinations of rules that most of us don't. We get the benefit of your experience. Unluckily for you it usually involves a penalty or making a claim.[color=blue]s[/color][color=red]p[/color][color=blue]i[/color][color=red]d[/color][color=blue]e[/color][color=red]y[/color]
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Alan Shepard, Apollo 14 Commander, Amateur-Golfer, preparing to take another swing during his famous moon walk in 1971.
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09-03-2004 05:10 PM #50
This has been a great thread. I'm happy you posted it, BC Mist. The exchanges that ensued certainly assisted me in having a better understanding of the various applications of these rules. Now if only Tom Watson would publish an updated version of his Illustrated Rules of Golf. The pictures are so much more fun than trying to wade through the arcane language of the Decisions on the Rules of Golf. The only way to get through that is with a very full bodied wine.
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09-03-2004 05:40 PM #51
There's a link on the USGA site to Rules Animations with voice-overs by Roger Twibell. They're pretty cool, and the list keeps on growing.
When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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09-03-2004 07:21 PM #52
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Animation of rules
Here is that website
http://www.usga.org/playing/rules/animations/index.asp
They've been gradually adding some new ones to it.
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