Who will be #1 on Monday?

**Farzin** · 08-20-2004 04:38 PM

I don't get it, how many times you got to poll for this one, It really doesn't mather who is the #1 or will be the #1.The ranking changes time to time. What mathers is who is the greatest golfer ever?
We have all heard about and or seen Jack, Arnie, Gary, Else, Norman, VJ, even Phil. They are great golfers, but aren't the greatest. There could be only one greatest golfer. I say Tiger is the greatest golfer ever.

**Kilroy** · 08-20-2004 05:04 PM

:readheart

**NoBack** · 08-20-2004 05:32 PM

We have all heard about and or seen Jack, Arnie, Gary, Else, Norman, VJ, even Phil. They are great golfers, but aren't the greatest. There could be only one greatest golfer. I say Tiger is the greatest golfer ever

Never thought you had that much sence of humour Farzin.

**golfmania** · 08-20-2004 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Farzin

I don't get it, how many times you got to poll for this one, It really doesn't mather who is the #1 or will be the #1.The ranking changes time to time. What mathers is who is the greatest golfer ever?
We have all heard about and or seen Jack, Arnie, Gary, Else, Norman, VJ, even Phil. They are great golfers, but aren't the greatest. There could be only one greatest golfer. I say Tiger is the greatest golfer ever.

I like Tiger, but even I wont go this far. Other than majors won, most wins, and lifetime of great golf, you're right.

**broken27** · 08-20-2004 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Farzin

I don't get it, how many times you got to poll for this one, It really doesn't mather who is the #1 or will be the #1.The ranking changes time to time. What mathers is who is the greatest golfer ever?
We have all heard about and or seen Jack, Arnie, Gary, Else, Norman, VJ, even Phil. They are great golfers, but aren't the greatest. There could be only one greatest golfer. I say Tiger is the greatest golfer ever.

Sigh.... Didn't expect that from ya Farzin...... Not at all.......

Dan

**NoBack** · 08-21-2004 05:44 AM

Other than majors won, most wins, and lifetime of great golf you're right.

So if Tiger hasnt got it all, how can he be?? You guys need a little help

**golfmania** · 08-21-2004 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Steve Karam

So if Tiger hasnt got it all, how can he be?? You guys need a little help

That was my point, I was being sarcastic...sigh, even the Tiger haters are jaded.

Hey, hows Singh doing? OOOPS !!!!

**NoBack** · 08-21-2004 01:22 PM

Hey, hows Singh doing? OOOPS !!!!

Doing the Tiger thing, getting him right where he wants him. 12 shots behind Tiger means for a great sat/sun push!!!

**Farzin** · 08-21-2004 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Steve Karam

Doing the Tiger thing, getting him right where he wants him. 12 shots behind Tiger means for a great sat/sun push!!!

I just wonder how badly Tiger has to play for your best players to become number one after all this years. How many more chances Tiger has to give to VJ, Else or Phil to take the Title. Tiger has been giving them a few Muligan each. How many more do they each need to proof it that they are worthy of #1 at least for a week or so. If they can't do it now, it's hard to belive they can ever do it when Tiger puts his driver together. They all need a percenage of a point or so to get the job done. DO they have it in them? NOOOOOOOOOOOO. I don't think they have what it takes to be the # 1 ranked player, forget about being the greatest ever.

**golfmania** · 08-22-2004 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Farzin

I just wonder how badly Tiger has to play for your best players to become number one after all this years. How many more chances Tiger has to give to VJ, Else or Phil to take the Title. Tiger has been giving them a few Muligan each. How many more do they each need to proof it that they are worthy of #1 at least for a week or so. If they can't do it now, it's hard to belive they can ever do it when Tiger puts his driver together. They all need a percenage of a point or so to get the job done. DO they have it in them? NOOOOOOOOOOOO. I don't think they have what it takes to be the # 1 ranked player, forget about being the greatest ever.

The problem is Tiger's title, based on two years, is still riding on his excellent performance before his slump. Now his average is going down...and he better change something.

**BC MIST** · 08-22-2004 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Farzin

I just wonder how badly Tiger has to play for your best players to become number one after all this years. How many more chances Tiger has to give to VJ, Else or Phil to take the Title. Tiger has been giving them a few Muligan each. How many more do they each need to proof it that they are worthy of #1 at least for a week or so. If they can't do it now, it's hard to belive they can ever do it when Tiger puts his driver together.

1. Being #1 is not a "TITLE." It is just a statistical index based on a mathematical formula. It is about as meaningful as an average.

2. History will decide who is the greatest golfer ever so until Tiger's PGA Tour career is over, any judgements are probably 20 years premature.

3. While Tiger's current position in the NEC is good considering his driving, it is his short game that keeps him in contention. The "greatest" golfer has a complete game.
Great golfers don't go into denial about the state of their swings, and use the expression "I'm close," to justify their awful play. All he has to do is go back and look at the videotapes of his swing when he was playing well and work on those things that got him there, even if they are Butch's ideas.

His full driver swing is obviously too long, loose, over the top and above plane. His mid/short iron swing is tight and on plane and is amazing to watch. Hello!!! Should the "greatest ever" not be able to make a connection between the two.

**NoBack** · 08-22-2004 05:14 PM

Hello!!! Should the "greatest ever" not be able to make a connection between the two.

He did and did it very very well for 30 years. Thanks for the memories JACK!

**golfmania** · 08-22-2004 06:10 PM

Steve,

I think you're forgetting something.

Tiger: -7, Tied for 2nd.
Singh: +3

Originally Posted by Steve Karam

golfmania
I'm in for that one.

allears

**NoBack** · 08-22-2004 06:59 PM

I think you're forgetting something.

"YYAAA, Tiger. You're the best"

**broken27** · 08-22-2004 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by golfmania

Steve,

I think you're forgetting something.

Tiger: -7, Tied for 2nd.
Singh: +3

allears

YAAAAAA Cink!!!! You're the best!!!!!!!!!

Tiger lost.

Dan

Andru · 08-22-2004 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by golfmania

The problem is Tiger's title, based on two years, is still riding on his excellent performance before his slump. Now his average is going down...and he better change something.

When did this slump actually start this year?

**golfmania** · 08-23-2004 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Steve Karam

"YYAAA, Tiger. You're the best"

Thanks Steve, you're a man of honour. Broken, I know what kind of man you are.

**golfmania** · 08-23-2004 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Andru

When did this slump actually start this year?

Just my opinion. Slump is subjective. He certainly is bringing his average down, lets put it that way.

**broken27** · 08-23-2004 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by golfmania

Thanks Steve, you're a man of honour. Broken, I know what kind of man you are.

Do you? That would make you the first person in the history of the internet to qualify someone based on their forum presence.

Dan

**Colby** · 08-23-2004 12:39 PM

An interesting take...

http://www.golfdigest.com/newsandtou...0823sirak.html

**Farzin** · 08-23-2004 09:38 PM

Ya, He drove the ball everywhere but his own fairway, yet managed to finish seconed place. Where did everybody else go? They should have done it this week and take the title away from him at least for a short while. That might have woke Tiger up and made him do something abour his driver. But no. They couldn't do it. Now Tiger has figured that he really doesn't need his A game to beat this guys whenever it's count, . Lots of confidence builder it is, Isn't it?

**Colby** · 08-23-2004 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Farzin

Now Tiger has figured that he really doesn't need his A game to beat this guys whenever it's count, . Lots of confidence builder it is, Isn't it?

He still didn't win, he was tied for first amongst the losers. Again he scrambled well, but he shouldn't have to do that with his skill level.

**golfmania** · 08-23-2004 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Farzin

Ya, He drove the ball everywhere but his own fairway, yet managed to finish seconed place. .... Lots of confidence builder it is, Isn't it?

I don't know what your point is, except to say that Tiger can't win unless he gets his A game back. Until he drives consistently (and Sat and Sun were pretty bad), do you really think he can win anything?

Andru · 08-23-2004 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by broken27

Do you? That would make you the first person in the history of the internet to qualify someone based on their forum presence.

Dan

What about qualifying someone based on television and hearsay?

**NoBack** · 08-23-2004 11:01 PM

I don't know what your point is,

Point is Frazin :readheart Tiger.
Nothing more than that

**Farzin** · 08-24-2004 05:01 PM

Who finished better, Tiger, Vj, Else, or Phill? Tiger played the course , and not the field, all of the course, every where, and he still managed to beat those guys.. That's the point.
The ranking as he said it, will look after itself. and it did.
The guys came so close, but no cigar

and that poll too.

**golfmania** · 08-24-2004 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Farzin

Who finished better, Tiger, Vj, Else, or Phill? Tiger played the course , and not the field, all of the course, every where, and he still managed to beat those guys.. That's the point.
The ranking as he said it, will look after itself. and it did.
The guys came so close, but no cigar

and that poll too.

I agree Farzin, thats why I placed the bet. My worry is: the gap he used to have is huge, now its a mere few points. He's gotta get his game back.

**NoBack** · 08-24-2004 05:59 PM

the gap he used to have is huge, now its a mere few points

So small that the putt for bird on 18 was very important afterall. Had he missed the putt, he would have lost #1 next week even if Tiger and VJ arent playing.

http://www.golfdigest.com/newsandtou...23ranking.html

**The Shtick** · 09-06-2004 09:27 AM

Well, it comes down to today folks. If Vijay wins, he's #1. If Tiger wins, he keeps the title for one more week.

I have a funny feeling that Tiger will shoot a 75 and Vijay a 73. Pressure for that #1 spot will get to both of them. I'll be glued to the TV this afternoon!!

**EDSGOLF** · 09-06-2004 12:42 PM

I say VJ takes it over #1 today and will be on the cover on Sports Illustrated this week!

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