Ball falling off the tee

**NoBack** · 08-04-2004 08:00 AM

My playing competitor is teeing it up on the ninth hole when this happens ....... He takes his club back and starts his downswing, just as his club is about to touch the ball, the ball starts to move off tee to the right and he kinda tops the ball so it rolls about 18 inches in front of the tee blocks. Is this a ball in motion? If not, what happens next?

**Gary Hill** · 08-04-2004 08:50 AM

The stroke counts but there is no penalty for playing a moving ball (Rule 11-3).
The ball is in play 18 inches in front of the teeing ground and the player is lying 1.

**NoBack** · 08-04-2004 09:09 AM

thanks Gary

I was hoping you werent going to answer this quickly.

It was good conversation after our round as we initially thought of ball in motion with strokes, then we thought about TC Chen's double hit. I did know the answer but wanted to see others' thoughts. Either way thanks

**nice_lag** · 08-04-2004 09:34 AM

Could he have stopped his motion and replaced the ball without penalty or had he addressed the ball by then?

**NoBack** · 08-04-2004 09:55 AM

Might have been able to stop but it was on the way to the ball.

**Gary Hill** · 08-04-2004 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Steve Karam

I did know the answer but wanted to see others' thoughts.

Just mention that in the initial posting and I will stay away until asked for confirmation.

**Gary Hill** · 08-04-2004 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by nice_lag

or had he addressed the ball by then?

Addressing the ball is not a factor.

Rule 18-2b (Ball Moving After Address) only applies to a ball in play.

**nice_lag** · 08-04-2004 10:21 AM

Thanks Gary.

**Keithsguy** · 08-04-2004 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Gary Hill

Addressing the ball is not a factor.

Rule 18-2b (Ball Moving After Address) only applies to a ball in play.

What about club waggle? You go through your routine, waggle club and knock ball off tee?

**Gary Hill** · 08-04-2004 11:19 AM

The ball is NOT in play yet.

You can pick it up and move it somewhere else.
You can kick it off the tee with your foot and re-tee without penalty.
You can pick it up and put another ball on the tee in its place.

The ball is not in play (i.e. the play of the hole hasn't started) until the player makes a stroke at the ball.

**Weazl** · 08-05-2004 02:52 PM

Gary: What if the ball is hit with a practice swing?

**NoBack** · 08-05-2004 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Gary Hill

The ball is NOT in play yet.
The ball is not in play (i.e. the play of the hole hasn't started) until the player makes a stroke at the ball.

A practice swing in not a stroke

**LobWedge** · 08-05-2004 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Steve Karam

A practice swing in not a stroke

Especially in your case, Mr. Molitor...

**NoBack** · 08-05-2004 03:27 PM

Ah but what a shot. Shot of the day no doubt.

**jvincent** · 08-05-2004 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Weazl

Gary: What if the ball is hit with a practice swing?

Rule 18-2 applies, i.e. one stroke penalty.

If you don't replace your ball in the original spot before taking your stroke you incur a two stroke penalty for a breach of rule 18-2.

**NoBack** · 08-05-2004 07:10 PM

Does this apply on the tee?

If you did not address the ball and put the ball in play?

**jvincent** · 08-05-2004 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Steve Karam

Does this apply on the tee?

If you did not address the ball and put the ball in play?

Oops, I forgot we were talking about on the tee.

If you are on the tee, then the practice swing does NOT count since there is no INTENT to strike the ball AND it is not yet in play, as Gary previously pointed out.

My comments apply once the ball is in play.

**Weazl** · 08-06-2004 09:19 AM

Thanks I was always curious about that.

**EDSGOLF** · 08-10-2004 12:22 PM

A friend of mine this past weekend went to hit his ball off the tee but missed the ball completely and the ball stayed on the tee and didn't not move. What is the ruling?

**NoBack** · 08-10-2004 12:45 PM

After all this................ I would have to say nothing. Swing again with no penalty. The ball is not in play until it leaves the tee.

**Colby** · 08-10-2004 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Steve Karam

After all this................ I would have to say nothing. Swing again with no penalty. The ball is not in play until it leaves the tee.

If it was an attempted swing, they count one stroke and swing again.

11-3. Ball Falling Off Tee

If a ball, when not in play, falls off a tee or is knocked off a tee by the player in addressing it, it may be re-teed without penalty. However, if a stroke is made at the ball in these circumstances, whether the ball is moving or not, the stroke counts but there is no penalty.

**NoBack** · 08-10-2004 01:14 PM

grrrrrr

I would have said yes to the stroke but I guess after reading all the "ball not in play", it had me confused.

**Colby** · 08-10-2004 01:47 PM

Thems the breaks

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