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07-07-2004 12:13 PM #1
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Playing the wrong ball
On our road trip last weekend, I got penalized twice for playing the wrong ball.
First time, it was a friendly game that my playing partner had played my ball first and after I made my shot to the green, I found out that in fact it wasn't my ball, When I asked him if he has my ball, the answer was yes. Therefore we both got penalized 2 stroke for playing the wrong ball.
The second time it happened on a competition round the day after. My playing partner had hit my ball first and after I made my shot to the green I saw that it is not my ball on the green, again I was penalized. For somebody else played my ball first and me being penalized for playing his ball second. although the ruling is clear for playing the wrong ball. I found that it is not fair that I be penalized 2 strokes " same penalty as my playing partner" for the reason that he has played my ball first.
I like to see what is your opinion on this. should we both be penalized the same although I was not the one who initiated the wrong doing and I was the one who found out the wrong doing both times. In both cases the balls were not far apart and they were on the fairway but the markings were not obvious. Both times same brand of balls were used by both players and the order of play was in effect. :cryin
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07-07-2004 12:34 PM #2
err... what was preventing you from idtentifying the ball you were about to play?
(it's the only one left on the fairway so it "must" be mine ???? )
Because the first player did not identify the ball he was about to hit, he suffered the consequences and was penalized.
You also did not identify the ball you were about to play and suffered the same consequences.
I don't see the relevance of who played the wrong ball first. You are both guilty of playing the wrong ball.
BTW - In match play, the penalty is loss of hole. Therefore, it is irrelevant whether or not you hit his ball. The hole is over and won by you the instant your opponent hits your ball.
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07-07-2004 12:36 PM #3
Farzin. I think the outcome may have been the same, meaning loss of hole, but here's the rule from USGA:
If it was during singles play:
15-3. Wrong Ball
a. Match Play
If a player makes a stroke at a wrong ball that is not in a hazard, he loses the hole.
If the wrong ball belongs to another player, its owner must place a ball on the spot from which the wrong ball was first played.
If the player and opponent exchange balls during the play of a hole, the first to make a stroke at a wrong ball that is not in a hazard, loses the hole; when this cannot be determined, the hole must be played out with the balls exchanged.
If it was best-ball:
30-3.
d. Wrong Ball
If a player makes a stroke at a wrong ball that is not in a hazard, he is disqualified for that hole, but his partner incurs no penalty even if the wrong ball belongs to him. If the wrong ball belongs to another player, its owner must place a ball on the spot from which the wrong ball was first played.
But since you BOTH played a wrong ball, I'd imagine you'd BOTH be out of the hole. Because you didn't check your ball before shooting, you are subject to the penalty. You are not being penalized for anything your partner did. You should have dropped a ball from where he played your ball in the first place.
BTW, did you win the hole?
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07-07-2004 12:45 PM #4Originally Posted by broken27
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07-07-2004 12:46 PM #5
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Originally Posted by Gary Hill
BTW. I learned my lesson I hope.
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07-07-2004 12:54 PM #6
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Originally Posted by broken27
The first round was not a match play, just a friendly round, but the second time I can't remember where during our 36 hole "different format" it happened. I wish I could have remembered.
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07-07-2004 01:11 PM #7
Doesnt make any difference Farzin. All four 9 holes we played on saturday were match play (best ball/alternate shot/scramble and singles)
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07-07-2004 01:20 PM #8
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Originally Posted by Steve Karam
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07-07-2004 02:14 PM #9Originally Posted by Gary Hill
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07-08-2004 08:19 AM #10
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Originally Posted by Farzin
Problem solved.
Do not use blue. I have the copyright.Last edited by BC MIST; 07-08-2004 at 01:24 PM.
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07-08-2004 09:10 AM #11
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Originally Posted by BC MIST
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07-08-2004 09:17 AM #12
I'll take the white one Farzin, you can have the pink ball.
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07-08-2004 09:19 AM #13
Farzin. It's always a good idea to put some kind of identification mark on your ball with a permanent marker, as BCMIST has pointed out. It's also a good idea that before any round, tournament or otherwise, to check with your fellow competitors on the first tee what make and model of ball they're playing and letting them know what you're playing. If you switch your ball type or number during your round (only before you start a hole, not during one ), let everyone else know what you're doing. It saves a lot of confusion later.
When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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07-08-2004 09:57 AM #14
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Originally Posted by LobWedge
It usually doesn't happen if you are the last guy on the fairway to hit the last ball, Naturally you wouldn't check the ball, assuming everybody played his ball. :shake
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07-08-2004 10:23 AM #15
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Originally Posted by Farzin
Can I ask, if Farzin HAD identified the ball before hitting it, what happens? Does he drop an alternative ball for free in the spot his original had been?
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07-08-2004 10:29 AM #16Originally Posted by Deep WoodsIt could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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07-08-2004 11:03 AM #17Originally Posted by Colby
BOLD TEXT - This is only true in stroke play. In match play, the offending player is out of the hole. Technically, they should have both been out of the hole, but since there was no rules expert in their group, I guess they got away with it! :blush
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07-08-2004 11:07 AM #18
They lost the hole anyway, but it was called as 2 strokes each, so technically you are correct. We messed up.
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07-08-2004 10:52 PM #19Originally Posted by broken27It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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07-08-2004 11:39 PM #20Originally Posted by Colby
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07-14-2004 09:49 PM #21
A twist to this...................
Gary
What if Farzin's competitor had played another ball left by someone not in his group? Then found his ball? Would the stroke taken with the wrong ball be counted??
The reason I ask is someone said that because the ball was not a ball being played by any of their foursome, there is no penalty??? Can this be??I've spent most of my life golfing .... the rest I've just wasted"
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07-14-2004 10:22 PM #22Originally Posted by Steve Karam
15-3. Wrong Ball
a. Match Play
If a player makes a stroke at a wrong ball that is not in a hazard, he loses the hole.
There is no penalty if a player makes a stroke at a wrong ball in a hazard. Any strokes made at a wrong ball in a hazard do not count in the player’s score.
If the wrong ball belongs to another player, its owner must place a ball on the spot from which the wrong ball was first played.
If the player and opponent exchange balls during the play of a hole, the first to make a stroke at a wrong ball that is not in a hazard, loses the hole; when this cannot be determined, the hole must be played out with the balls exchanged.
b. Stroke Play
If a competitor makes a stroke or strokes at a wrong ball that is not in a hazard, he incurs a penalty of two strokes.
There is no penalty if a competitor makes a stroke at a wrong ball in a hazard. Any strokes made at a wrong ball in a hazard do not count in the competitor’s score.
The competitor must correct his mistake by playing the correct ball or by proceeding under the Rules. If he fails to correct his mistake before making a stroke on the next teeing ground, or in the case of the last hole of the round, fails to declare his intention to correct his mistake before leaving the putting green, he is disqualified.
Strokesmade by a competitor with a wrong ball do not count in his score.
If the wrong ball belongs to another competitor, its owner must place a ball on the spot from which the wrong ball was first played.
(Lie of ball to be placed or replaced altered — see Rule 20-3b.)
(Spot not determinable — see Rule 20-3c.)
It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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07-14-2004 11:45 PM #23Originally Posted by Steve Karam
If the stroke was made in a hazard, it would not count in the players score nor would there be a penalty.
BTW - Lots of people seems to be confused about the status of other players on the course.
Other humans are "outside agencies" whether in your group, in the competition field, spectators, officials, or anything else.
Generally speaking, from a Rules perspective, you should consider yourself alone on the course.
(One of the few exceptions is asking to lift your ball for identification under Rule 12-2.
You must give your opponent, marker, or fellow-competitor an opportunity to observe the lifting and replacement.)
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07-15-2004 07:02 AM #24
thanks
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07-23-2004 03:08 PM #25
This happened in my group during a club qualifier last weekend: a par 5, both balls are driven in the fairway, golfer #1 hit his (correctly identified) approach, to about 100yrds out. golfer #2 hits his 2nd shot (also his correctly identified ball) right at the pin, but it is in a blind spot, and as the greens are lightning, he believes he's rolled off the back. we get back to golfer#1, who now hits his ball at the stick, also blind, and thinks he's on.
We get to the green, and golfer #2 is disappointed because he believes that he has rolled off and is in the rough. There is a ball next to the stick, and golfer #1 is confident its his. (can you guess that this is where the switch occurred?) Both men are playing the same ball, but one has black dots on one side, and one doesn't. Golfer #2 chips close and taps in the bird, never clearly identifying his ball. Golfer #1 misses the bird, taps in a par, and also fails to identify the ball, even though he marked it, picked it up and replaced it.
On the next tee, they realize that they have each other's ball. (BTW it was golfer #2 who noticed the mistake, when he teed up the ball in his pocket and saw no dots) They each add 2 strokes to their scorecard for that hole. Was this the proper procedure?
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07-23-2004 03:46 PM #26
They each correctly applied a 2 stroke penalty for playing a wrong ball, but the important thing is what happened after the discovery.
Both players must go back and correct the mistake from the spot where the wrong balls were first played.
Rule 15-3b.
The competitor must correct his mistake by playing the correct ball or by proceeding under the Rules.
If they continued play from the tee, they are both disqualified.
Rule 15-3b.
If he fails to correct his mistake before making a stroke on the next teeing ground, or in the case of the last hole of the round, fails to declare his intention to correct his mistake before leaving the putting green, he is disqualified.The competitor must correct his mistake by playing the correct ball or by proceeding under the Rules.
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07-23-2004 03:50 PM #27
Thank you, that was my suspicion.
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