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06-25-2004 11:03 AM #1
Bertuzzi Charged With Assault!
Well, Bertuzzi is charged with assault causing bodily harm for his attack on Steve Moore. It isn't the first time an athlete has been charged for actions during a game, but usually nothing happens to him anyways.
Do you guys think anything will happen to Big Bert, or will he walk away with a slap on the wrist?
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06-25-2004 11:07 AM #2
Think we will see him walk. A good lawyer could argue that you can't prove when he hurt his neck. The hit or the pile on him on the ice.
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06-25-2004 11:25 AM #3
it's sad.... very sad to see this happen. Don't players sign waivers for this stuff??
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06-25-2004 11:48 AM #4Originally Posted by The Shtick
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06-25-2004 12:26 PM #5
This whole thing is bull. you step on the ice at such a high level, and, although you don't necessarily expect it, you know that this kind of stuff can happen. If you start charging these guys for a sucker-punch, what's to stop prosecutors from charging individuals any time someone gets injured. It starts a slippery slope that is bad for the sport, and has little effect on society at large. And it is after all the job of the crown to protect society. Punishing bertuzzi protects no one
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06-25-2004 01:00 PM #6Originally Posted by jonf
What's to stop prosecutors from charging people each time they get injured? Simple, the release forms that were mentioned above. Assumed risk covers anything within reason that could happen in a hockey game. Pucks in the face, sticks in the nuts, even injuries stemming from fights.
Sucker punches are extremely dangerous. I used to fight a lot, both in hockey and just in day-to-day life. I can attest to the damage a sucker-punch can afflict, having been nailed with two of them in the past. You don't react, so you end up taking the full brunt of the punch, and nobody would try to sucker punch you in the hamstring. It's usually aimed at the face or head. You can kill a person by doing this.
I realize you're entitled to your opinion jonf, but your unique stance on the issue really raised my eyebrows in puzzlement.
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06-25-2004 01:13 PM #7
I'm very happy that Bertuzzi is getting charged. Maybe it'll turn out like the McSorley thing and maybe it won't but at least it shows players are NOT above the law when it comes to extremely violent and dangerous hits on the ice...
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06-25-2004 01:16 PM #8
Where's the bull****?
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06-25-2004 01:42 PM #9
so where is the line drawn?
If he had of paralysed him or killed him, would that be ok? He broke the guys neck and he may never play hockey again.
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06-25-2004 01:45 PM #10
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I agree with the fact that Bertuzzi is charged but if Moore would have respond to his act and face him, nothing of that would of happened.
Moore injured Naslund and couldn't face Bertuzzi like a man. Bertuzzi was only trying to make justice.
I don't agree how it ended up but Moore is a big whimp!!!!!
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06-25-2004 01:55 PM #11Big_duckGuestOriginally Posted by newbie
How about turning it around: If Bertuzzi accepted that Moore having to fight earlier in the game (can't remember with who) as recompense for the Naslund hit (as per the "code") then the incident wouldn't have happened either. What was Moore supposed to do? Take on the entire Vancouver lineup one idiot at a time???
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06-25-2004 01:59 PM #12Originally Posted by newbie
Man, I can't believe there are actually people who support Bertuzzi in this.....
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06-25-2004 02:00 PM #13Originally Posted by Big_duck
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06-25-2004 02:22 PM #14
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Originally Posted by broken27
I think I would love to play hockey against you!!!!
The only thing I'm saying is that Moore wouldn't face the consequences of his act!!!!
That's it we know the rest, Bertuzzi couldn't hold it and did something stupid!!!
Just to know, how old is Brad May, 40 something I believe, not a big challenge if you ask me!!!
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06-25-2004 02:31 PM #15
he's 33
6"1', 210 lbs. not exactly a lightweight.
Really, the hit on Naslund was questionable. Vancouver took offense because a) he got injured and b) he is a star player.
I'm sure Bertuzzi is regretting everything he did, but it doesn't change the fact he did it. If Moore never plays again, be prepared for a big civil suit as well.
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06-25-2004 02:35 PM #16Originally Posted by newbie
Secondly, any time you want to lace em up and play hockey, I'm totally fine with that. I don't play like a goon though, so the only way there'll be a fight is if you sucker punch me.
Thirdly, Brad May is 32 years old, and a known fighter. Moore is not a fighter, but a fairly big boy. Don't see your point here. How many times should Moore have to fight because Naslund couldn't keep his balance and got his bell rung with a clean check? Is it over now, or does he actually have to be killed or permanently paralyzed before the score is settled?
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06-25-2004 02:39 PM #17
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Originally Posted by broken27
Well it's a known fact that if you hit a star player no matter how you'll have to face the music.... I don't agree the way Bertuzzi handle it though
On anotehr note, are you playing in a league during the winter??? I'm with the labatt blue league in Hull... BBut might be looking for a league this winter because my team might not be back....
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06-25-2004 02:41 PM #18Big_duckGuestOriginally Posted by newbie
May took him on end of story.
P.S. Vancouver was making a mountain out of a mole hill in the first place ... Referee: Clean Hit. League Review: Clean Hit. This was the SECOND game between the two after the original (non)incident.
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06-25-2004 02:44 PM #19Originally Posted by newbie
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06-25-2004 02:45 PM #20
I do not support bertuzzi. That kind of sucker punch is unacceptable. HOWEVER, let the league deal with it. I don't think that criminal law can effectively deal with such an incident, and should leave the league to police itself
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06-25-2004 02:46 PM #21Originally Posted by jonf
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06-25-2004 02:51 PM #22
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Originally Posted by Big_duck
As a player, if one of my guys gets hurt we all want revenge, that's stupid but we are like that. It's hockey. Remember Detroit Colorado, everone wanted Claude Lemieux for his check on Drapper I believe. He faced them all.... It's stupid I agree but it's the way it's palyed... gotta love hockey... I love it even with these low blows...
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06-25-2004 02:59 PM #23Originally Posted by newbie
If you like this kind of stuff, I doubt I'd enjoy playing hockey with you...
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06-25-2004 03:02 PM #24Originally Posted by broken27
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06-25-2004 03:07 PM #25
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Originally Posted by broken27
But what cause more dammage, the puch, the way he throw Moore on the ice or the pile-up???
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06-25-2004 03:42 PM #26Originally Posted by newbie
The way you talk about the whole incident it's like you believe Moore did something wrong to Naslund. Watch the replay again. There was nothing malicious about Moore's hit on Naslund. Unfortunately Naslund lost his footing right before Moore hit him. Otherwise it's a clean, shoulder to shoulder hit. Ended up being a hip to the head, which as I said before, is next to impossible to do on purpose.
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06-25-2004 03:46 PM #27Originally Posted by jonf
There was a case back a few years ago, where a Canadian player who was playing in Italy speared a guy in the chest with his stick. The guy had a heart condition, and the incident ended up killing him. The offending player was charged with manslaughter, but the law is different in Italy, as are the rules governing insurance waivers.
It's very complicated, the waiver of damages, but I have seen the generic version of the contract that players sign with regards to it. Lindros had to sign a waiver that absolved the NHL of any damage resulting from any further play, because no insurace company was willing to take on the risk... Can't say I blame them!!! His skull is like an eggshell now!
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06-25-2004 04:00 PM #28
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06-25-2004 04:10 PM #29Originally Posted by Deep Woods
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06-25-2004 05:25 PM #30
I can see it now...... 18th hole Sunday U.S open Pinehurst #2, Vijay and Mickelson walking down the fairway side by side, tied at -8 under. Phil flashes Vijay a big toothy grin when **kabiff*** Vijay unloads on him... later confessing that the stress of pro golf got to him. The golfing world shudders,
Thankfully golf is still a gentlemens game
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