Crosby - 400 points in 292 games

[mberube]

Sidney Crosby has reached the 400 points in only 292 games Saturday. Only 5 other players in LNH history has reached the 400 point marker in les games : Wayne Gretzky (197), Mario Lemieux (240), Peter Stastny (247), Eric Lindros (277) et Mike Bossy (283).

He is not as flashy as Ovy but effective.

[mberube]

Ovechkin is 15th with 314

Wayne at 197 is insane.

[nokids]

As a Red Wings fan, it's my duty to bash Crosby whenever I see people drooling over him. Ok I'm not going to bash him, but I am going to say what I think of him.

He is a very talented hockey prodigy, bred since he was a fetus to play hockey, drafted by a god-aweful club, and he's been the #1 guy for 5 years now. I'm not saying he doesn't have skill, he's got world class skills, he is in my top 10 of best hockey players today; however people need to stop judging players by their point totals without looking at the overall picture. Crosby gets his points because he and Malkin were the only good players for the Pens all these years. He had the majority of ice time on even strength, he plays more time on the PP than anybody besides Malkin, and he rarely does any penalty killing. He is basically just an offensive tool for the Penguins. As an offensive player, he is arguable 2nd or 3rd best player in the league between himself, Ovie and Malkin.

But now that the Pens are getting better as a team. Will Crosby follow in the footsteps of Gretzky and play casual defense while focusing on scoring, or will he go the way of Yzerman and set the example on the PK, sacrifice his numbers for the good of the team? There are two players I'd pick over Crosby at this point in time: Zetterburgh and Datsyuk. Both could put up Crosby type numbers if they didn't have to spend most of their time defending their net on the PK.

Let's look at last year as an example: Crosby averaged 5.5 minutes on the PP last year during the regular season. Pavel Datsyuk had 3.5 minutes on the PP per game. That's an amazing difference in minutes!!!! What are the results: Crosby had 7 goals, 33 assists = 40 pts on the PP. Datsyuk had 11 goals, 25 assists = 36 pts on the PP. They basically have almost the same amount of points even though Datsyuk had 160 minutes less time on the PP.

I wonder how much scoring Crosby would be doing if he actually had to exert effort into taking care of his defensive zone. His +/- would certainly be better than a +3. How do you score 103 pts in a season and end up with a +3??? That's some lazy Ovechkin-like defense right there. He even had a great goalie like Fleury to bail him out yet still barely comes out even. Datsyuk has a +34 and his last line of defense is Chris Osbad.

I hope I wasn't too hard on Mr. Crosby. I do think he deserves praise for all he's accomplished but there are other players doing the dirty jobs that win championships who dont get praised, and I'd like people to remember about them as well.

[nokids]

As a Red Wings fan, it's my duty to bash Crosby whenever I see people drooling over him. Ok I'm not going to bash him, but I am going to say what I think of him.

He is a very talented hockey prodigy, bred since he was a fetus to play hockey, drafted by a god-aweful club, and he's been the #1 guy for 5 years now. I'm not saying he doesn't have skill, he's got world class skills, he is in my top 10 of best hockey players today; however people need to stop judging players by their point totals without looking at the overall picture. Crosby gets his points because he and Malkin were the only good players for the Pens all these years. He had the majority of ice time on even strength, he plays more time on the PP than anybody besides Malkin, and he rarely does any penalty killing. He is basically just an offensive tool for the Penguins. As an offensive player, he is arguable 2nd or 3rd best player in the league between himself, Ovie and Malkin.

But now that the Pens are getting better as a team. Will Crosby follow in the footsteps of Gretzky and play casual defense while focusing on scoring, or will he go the way of Yzerman and set the example on the PK, sacrifice his numbers for the good of the team? There are two players I'd pick over Crosby at this point in time: Zetterberg and Datsyuk. Both could put up Crosby type numbers if they didn't have to spend most of their time defending their net on the PK.

Let's look at last year as an example: Crosby averaged 5.5 minutes on the PP last year during the regular season. Pavel Datsyuk had 3.5 minutes on the PP per game. That's an amazing difference in minutes!!!! What are the results: Crosby had 7 goals, 33 assists = 40 pts on the PP. Datsyuk had 11 goals, 25 assists = 36 pts on the PP. They basically have almost the same amount of points even though Datsyuk had 160 minutes less time on the PP.

I wonder how much scoring Crosby would be doing if he actually had to exert effort into taking care of his defensive zone. His +/- would certainly be better than a +3. How do you score 103 pts in a season and end up with a +3??? That's some lazy Ovechkin-like defense right there. He even had a great goalie like Fleury to bail him out yet still barely comes out even. Datsyuk has a +34 and his last line of defense is Chris Osbad.

I hope I wasn't too hard on Mr. Crosby. I do think he deserves praise for all he's accomplished but there are other players doing the dirty jobs that win championships who dont get praised, and I'd like people to remember about them as well.

Post #3 sums up exactly how i feel about Crosby. If you disagree with any of it, highlight what you disagree with and state your case.

[jeffc]

Post #3 sums up exactly how i feel about Crosby. If you disagree with any of it, highlight what you disagree with and state your case.

[knickers]

As a Red Wings fan, it's my duty to bash Crosby whenever I see people drooling over him. Ok I'm not going to bash him, but I am going to say what I think of him.

He is a very talented hockey prodigy, bred since he was a fetus to play hockey, drafted by a god-aweful club, and he's been the #1 guy for 5 years now. I'm not saying he doesn't have skill, he's got world class skills, he is in my top 10 of best hockey players today; however people need to stop judging players by their point totals without looking at the overall picture. Crosby gets his points because he and Malkin were the only good players for the Pens all these years. He had the majority of ice time on even strength, he plays more time on the PP than anybody besides Malkin, and he rarely does any penalty killing. He is basically just an offensive tool for the Penguins. As an offensive player, he is arguable 2nd or 3rd best player in the league between himself, Ovie and Malkin.

But now that the Pens are getting better as a team. Will Crosby follow in the footsteps of Gretzky and play casual defense while focusing on scoring, or will he go the way of Yzerman and set the example on the PK, sacrifice his numbers for the good of the team? There are two players I'd pick over Crosby at this point in time: Zetterburgh and Datsyuk. Both could put up Crosby type numbers if they didn't have to spend most of their time defending their net on the PK.

Let's look at last year as an example: Crosby averaged 5.5 minutes on the PP last year during the regular season. Pavel Datsyuk had 3.5 minutes on the PP per game. That's an amazing difference in minutes!!!! What are the results: Crosby had 7 goals, 33 assists = 40 pts on the PP. Datsyuk had 11 goals, 25 assists = 36 pts on the PP. They basically have almost the same amount of points even though Datsyuk had 160 minutes less time on the PP.

I wonder how much scoring Crosby would be doing if he actually had to exert effort into taking care of his defensive zone. His +/- would certainly be better than a +3. How do you score 103 pts in a season and end up with a +3??? That's some lazy Ovechkin-like defense right there. He even had a great goalie like Fleury to bail him out yet still barely comes out even. Datsyuk has a +34 and his last line of defense is Chris Osbad.

I hope I wasn't too hard on Mr. Crosby. I do think he deserves praise for all he's accomplished but there are other players doing the dirty jobs that win championships who dont get praised, and I'd like people to remember about them as well.

For a guy that is telling me I should watch the players instead of the stat sheet you sure seem to spit out alot of stats.
Crosby is 22 years old. Has been to 2 Stanley Cups (1 Stanley Cup win), 1 Olympics (1 Olympic gold), 2 World Juniors (1 Gold, 1 Silver), QJHL finals (champions) A Memorial Cup finals(second place). Many championships before these accomplishments as well. Those are the only stats that really matter IMO. Personally I love a guy who WINS!

[mberube]

I don’t really care about all that. Those are debates that never end. All great players had an entourage. It’s the same type of debate between Gretz and Lemieux. I could reply by saying that Zetterburgh and Datsyuk have always been playing with one if not the best team in the league for most of there career while Crosby and Ovy racked up incredible number with a poor team with awful defensive play.

All I was stating is that he is making a mark in NHL history and his name is up their every year.

As for Ovy, if he keeps at it, we might see something exceptional this season.

[fundonny]

Bah, Crosby.... No interest.

[mberube]

If you have no interest, why post? Why even read the post?

[fundonny]

Ever since they tabbed him 'the next one', many were turned off. Ovy is the best player in the NHL.

[mberube]

Ever since they tabbed him 'the next one', many were turned off. Ovy is the best player in the NHL.

That's your opinion and that's OK but you still did not answer the question. If you have no interest in Crosby then why read a post that clearly states his name in the title? I don't understand.

I have no interest in NFL thus I don't read any post that has a title about NFL. That to me is the meaning of no interest.

[fundonny]

Cause I have an interest in hockey.

[fundonny]

Also not just my opinion, a large majority of NHL players too.

[moochie]

They are both excellent hockey players - they just play different games. Ovechkin is more fun to watch, IMO just as Mario was more fun to watch than Gretzky. Again, my opinion so no need to wait in the parking lot for me.

[mberube]

They are both excellent hockey players - they just play different games. Ovechkin is more fun to watch, IMO just as Mario was more fun to watch than Gretzky. Again, my opinion so no need to wait in the parking lot for me.

I completely agree. It's fun to read positive post.

[mberube]

Also not just my opinion, a large majority of NHL players too.

Now that's funny. Are you in the NHLPA committee? When was your last survey amongst the NHL player in regards of who they think is a better player?

I do believe you are an NHL fan but it still does not explain why you read a Crosby post when you obviously don't like him.

I would like to note that this was not a thread to debate who is better. This was a post about him scoring his 400th in a short period of time.

[fundonny]

Now that's funny. Are you in the NHLPA committee? When was your last survey amongst the NHL player in regards of who they think is a better player?

I do believe you are an NHL fan but it still does not explain why you read a Crosby post when you obviously don't like him.

I would like to note that this was not a thread to debate who is better. This was a post about him scoring his 400th in a short period of time.

I posted it last winter, Sports Illustrated does a player's poll in every issue. That particular week they asked all NHL players who is the best player in the NHL. Can't remember the exact statistic, but I seem to remember Ovy and Lidstrom being 1-2. I believe around 10% may have chosen Syd.

[Hacker]

Now that's funny. Are you in the NHLPA committee? When was your last survey amongst the NHL player in regards of who they think is a better player?

I do believe you are an NHL fan but it still does not explain why you read a Crosby post when you obviously don't like him.

I would like to note that this was not a thread to debate who is better. This was a post about him scoring his 400th in a short period of time.

Donny is 100% correct here and that proof is called the Lester B. Pearson award which is awarded to the most outstanding player as voted by members of the NHLPA. Ovie won it in 2008 and 2009.

Cut and dried IMHO

[fundonny]

Hahaha, good line.

[fundonny]

Found it...

SI did a PLAYERS poll and asked who the best player was in the NHL. It was Ovechkin, BY FAR! Like way over 50% of the vote. I think Sid was tied for 2nd, I'll have to double check, with around 10% of the vote. Personally I don't think he's even the best player on his team either.


And, if you notice you mentioned many other players in your post, which leads to comparisons, which leads to debate. You specifically mentioned Ovy. If you didn't want comments/opinions/debates, you should have locked the thread after your fist post.

[mberube]

That’s true for the 2009 season. I remember TSN making a survey at the end of the season when Crosby finished first with 120 points. Most players were giving there votes to Sid but that is beside the point. Everyone is entitled to there opinion and that’s fine by me. Note again that this tread is not a thread to find out who is better.

[nokids]

It's not about who is better, i agree. But why does the media shove Sidney Crosby down our throats? There are 800 other NHL players. I'm tired of his TV commercials, his billboards, his face on video games, his name on hockey sticks at Canadian Tire, it's overload. If he was a mile better than everyone else on the ice i could understand. But he's not even the best NHL player TODAY!! That is why people like me, and Donny can't stand him. He's a whinny brat; complaining to the refs about everything, even telling the refs to call a delay of penalty on Washington because fans were throwing hats on the ice after an Ovechkin hat trick. Come on now.

[fundonny]

If he hadn't been forced fed to me, like pea soup when I was a child, I'd probably like him. I hate pea soup.

[nokids]

If he hadn't been forced fed to me, like pea soup when I was a child, I'd probably like him. I hate pea soup.

and i hate wine. or should i say, WHINE.

[jeffc]

Crosby has a cup. Ovechkin doesn't. That's all that really matters. As for Datsyuk, he was invisible in the playoffs last year.

[nokids]

Crosby has a cup. Ovechkin doesn't. That's all that really matters. As for Datsyuk, he was invisible in the playoffs last year.

he was busy playing defense. hence why Crosby will never get a Selke trophy.

[jeffc]

he was busy playing defense. hence why Crosby will never get a Selke trophy.

hmmm, perhaps he should be been putting a few more pucks in the net and they would have won.

[nokids]

hmmm, perhaps he should be been putting a few more pucks in the net and they would have won.

he didn't play the first 4 games of the finals because he had a broken foot he suffered from blocking a shot in the Chicago series. It's a miracle Datsyuk played in the finals at all. What's Crosby's excuse for his clutch performance?

Crosby: 7gp, 1g, 2a, 3pts -3
Datsyuk: 3gp, 0g, 2a, 2pts +1

[jeffc]

he didn't play the first 4 games of the finals because he had a broken foot he suffered from blocking a shot in the Chicago series. It's a miracle Datsyuk played in the finals at all. What's Crosby's excuse for his clutch performance?

Crosby: 7gp, 1g, 2a, 3pts -3
Datsyuk: 3gp, 0g, 2a, 2pts +1

I'm sorry I thought you said he was busy playing defense.

yes, let's look at the playoffs:

crosby: 24 games, 31 points, +9, 1.29 ppg, second in scoring and he won the cup.
Datsyuk: 16 games, 9 points +5, .56 ppg, 50th in scoring and the wings blew a 3-2 lead in games.

[nokids]

Let's not start comparing Crosby to Datsyuk because there is no comparisson. none. Datsyuk is an offensive genius and maybe the top defensive forward in the league as well. He has the stats to back it up to go along with his two cups. He's a complete player in his prime. Sid has yet to learn what two-way hockey means. +/- doesn't lie.