Mats Sundin in the Hockey Hall of Fame

**Hacker** · 10-01-2009 04:46 PM

Now that Mats has officially retired (or has he) it is time for the inevitable debate.........Does he deserve to be in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

**1972Apex** · 10-02-2009 09:28 AM

Of course! He'll be enshrined right alongside Salming in the 'Floater' wing

**mpare** · 10-02-2009 10:24 AM

Start writing the speech.

**Colby** · 10-02-2009 10:24 AM

You are missing the Who Cares category...

**mpare** · 10-02-2009 10:38 AM

Admit it. You are fascinated by the of the intrigue that surrounds the NHL and its leadership. Compared to that cast of characters, Sundin is a saint.

Originally Posted by Colby

You are missing the Who Cares category...

**jonf** · 10-02-2009 10:53 AM

He'll get in, but only because Toronto desperately needs a hall of famer who didn't retire 40 years ago.

**spackler** · 10-02-2009 11:59 AM

He's a lot better than a lot of the players inducted in the 90s and early part of this decade.

**LobWedge** · 10-02-2009 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by 1972Apex

Of course! He'll be enshrined right alongside Salming in the 'Floater' wing

Cool, then at least Alfie will have some company when he gets there too.

**iggsplode** · 10-02-2009 12:09 PM

he'll get in but not in his first year.. too many people that had a better career ahead of him.. roenick and sakic(no brainer) will see the hall before him.

**LobWedge** · 10-02-2009 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by spackler

He's a lot better than a lot of the players inducted in the 90s and early part of this decade.

Agreed. Let's see...

Darryl Sittler
Gilbert Perreault
Marcel Dionne
Michel Goulet
Peter Stastny
Denis Savard
Mike Gartner
Dale Hawerchuk
Bernie Federko
Rod Languay
Pat LaFontaine
Cam Neely
Ron Francis

Yeah, he'll get in.

**Colby** · 10-02-2009 12:20 PM

He's cheap and dirty, and somehow managed to carry the Leafs just far enough to tease every Leaf fan. He grabbed the big cash from Vancouver last year and did nothing. He'll get in, but hopefully not for a long time. Unfortunately the Hall of Fame sits in Toronto, so he may get in sooner than I feel he deserves.

**LobWedge** · 10-02-2009 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Colby

He's cheap and dirty, and somehow managed to carry the Leafs just far enough to tease every Leaf fan. He grabbed the big cash from Vancouver last year and did nothing. He'll get in, but hopefully not for a long time. Unfortunately the Hall of Fame sits in Toronto, so he may get in sooner than I feel he deserves.

Cheap and dirty??

Since when?? Time to take those blinders off.

Never failed to show up for work. Gave 100% every time out, on some of the worst teams. Never, ever complained. Never aired the team's dirty laundry in public (Emery, Heatley, etc...). The 2nd best all time at controlling the play below the opponent's goal line (I'll give that one to Gretzky). Had every right in the universe to not waive his no-trade clause. Contributed significantly down the stretch in Vancouver's playoff run, and would have gone further if Luongo hadn't gone on vacation....

**justsomeguy** · 10-02-2009 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by LobWedge

Cheap and dirty??

Since when?? Time to take those blinders off.

Never failed to show up for work. Gave 100% every time out, on some of the worst teams. Never, ever complained. Never aired the team's dirty laundry in public (Emery, Heatley, etc...). The 2nd best all time at controlling the play below the opponent's goal line (I'll give that one to Gretzky). Had every right in the universe to not waive his no-trade clause. Contributed significantly down the stretch in Vancouver's playoff run, and would have gone further if Luongo hadn't gone on vacation....

Yeah, someone has blinders on all right!

His specialty was the cross-check in the back - that's about the only thing he gave 100% every time out. Playmaking was average. He got a lot of points with a good shot and a knack for getting open in front of the net, and was well-liked by the Toronto media and teammates. That will probably be enough to get him in.

**mpare** · 10-03-2009 05:50 AM

The respect for him extended beyond the GTA. As for scoring points, he averaged about one a game. When considered in conjunction with all of his other attributes, that's not too shabby.

Originally Posted by justsomeguy

Yeah, someone has blinders on all right!

.... was well-liked by the Toronto media and teammates. That will probably be enough to get him in.

**Colby** · 10-03-2009 11:17 AM

He will forever be tainted by the Blue and White in my eyes. Nothing good ever comes out of Toronto!

**mpare** · 10-03-2009 11:59 AM

Now there's an objective assessment of a player's skills, bereft of any bias.

Originally Posted by Colby

He will forever be tainted by the Blue and White in my eyes. Nothing good ever comes out of Toronto!

Baxter · 10-04-2009 01:05 AM

The only way he should get in, is with a Ticket just like the rest of us....My goodness that is not a Hall of Famer...with that being said the TO media will vote him in...Just my .02 cents

**nokids** · 10-04-2009 07:44 AM

Thank god that's over. Now take Brett Favre with you.

**mpare** · 10-04-2009 08:58 AM

Except that Favre is doing rather well leading the Vikings. His 94.5 rating is very good. Ask the people in Minn what they think, and I'm sure they'll insist that he remain with the team.

Originally Posted by nokids

Thank god that's over. Now take Brett Favre with you.

**nokids** · 10-06-2009 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by mpare

Except that Favre is doing rather well leading the Vikings. His 94.5 rating is very good. Ask the people in Minn what they think, and I'm sure they'll insist that he remain with the team.

so far so good. he also looked great last year for about 12 games. the thing i dont like about Favre is how every offseason he held GB hostage. It wasn't fair to the team. All he had to say was "yes I will be the QB next year". Instead he took advantage of the fact he was a fan favorite and used that leverage to handcuff the Packers GM from finding a new QB, or incorporating that guy in the offense. It was the Brett Favre show as long as Favre was there.

He is a great QB when asked not to do too much. Right now he's in the perfect situation. I just dont have a positive view of the guy after what he did to GB.

**Colby** · 10-06-2009 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by mpare

Now there's an objective assessment of a player's skills, bereft of any bias.

I'll admit that I'm biased! When I grew up in Vancouver we had a joke...

Why do the trees lean towards the East? Because Toronto sucks!

**Strangebrew** · 10-07-2009 10:34 AM

Been a Habs fan my whole life and goes against my grain to write this... but Mats deserves to be in the HOF on first ballot. Forget his tenure with the Leafs, they never had anyone that could play with him. He's first Swedish born player to get 500 goals in the NHL, gold medal in the olympics, outstanding play with the Swedish international and world cup teams.

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