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04-27-2004 12:55 PM #61Originally Posted by em69
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04-27-2004 01:01 PM #62Originally Posted by Vulcan
Stick on stick contact is not allowed if there is any slashing motion precipitating it.
You could have 5 pairs of guys fighting and still end up 5-on-5, because offsetting major penalties do not create a loss of player for either team.
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04-27-2004 01:27 PM #63Originally Posted by broken27
If it really was a dive, call the unsportsmanlike penalty only. That'll put an end to diving pretty quick. Of course, then the coach will scream and the media will howl and afterwards the league office will have a quiet word with the director of officiating...
...so they call both hooking and diving, and ruffle fewer feathers.[COLOR=green][B]Golf is a game invented by the same people who think music comes out of bagpipes.[/B][/COLOR]
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04-27-2004 01:37 PM #64
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Confused
Broken,
You say that it isn't intent to injure and you say that you are trying to hurt the guy a bit but not kill him. Which is it?
Why not leave your gloves on and protect your own hands. Then you can still possibly hurt the guy but not kill him and you won't hurt yourself.
Bottom line is fighting is not necessary. Yes it is part of the game, but not a required part. It could easily be eliminated.
If you fight, you are gone.
If you high stick in the head, gone.
If you knee, gone.
Players will make adjustments if they know the consequences. Plain and simple. There are no set consequences because there is too much grey area.
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04-27-2004 01:49 PM #65Originally Posted by Vulcan
You are not allowed to fight with gloves on because the risk of serious injury goes up. You will be ejected from a game for fighting with gloves on.
I agree that fighting is not necessary, but currently it serves a purpose (no matter how trivial that purpose may be in the grand scheme of things). To get rid of it, you'd have to make the game more like the European leagues currently have it.
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04-27-2004 02:14 PM #66Originally Posted by Vulcan
If you just drop your golves and hammer someone when the puck is nowhere near them you will get alot more than just 5mins! I think we all have seen or heard of the media hype on the Bertuzzi Incident. Now if 2 guys square off and fight it's 5 mins each. Why should it be anymore? Fighting IS apart of hockey and has been since the beginning. If you don't like it or just don't agree withit then start another sport of just don't watch.
Denny
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04-27-2004 02:33 PM #67Big_duckGuestOriginally Posted by dbleber
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04-27-2004 02:45 PM #68Originally Posted by dbleber
Sure, that's one option. Another is to try to bring about some changes so there's less crime in the city.
I think it's fair to say we're all hockey fans or we wouldn't be talking about it so much. Some of us would like to see some changes to the game to make it even better.[COLOR=green][B]Golf is a game invented by the same people who think music comes out of bagpipes.[/B][/COLOR]
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04-27-2004 02:50 PM #69Originally Posted by el tigre
I don't think anyone who has replied to this thread can say they don't want some degree of change in hockey.
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04-27-2004 03:18 PM #70
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04-27-2004 03:23 PM #71Originally Posted by broken27
The same with Bertuzzi. The league reviewed the tape of the Naslund hit and said it was clean. Bertuzzi made a conscious decision to take matters in to his own hands based on the reaction of Crawford. The only way that situation doesn't happen is if Crawford gets sanctioned for his comments and Bertuzzi uses his head.When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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04-27-2004 03:26 PM #72Originally Posted by LobWedge
Bertuzzi incident to me was inexcusable, and I view it more as a crime than as a hockey incident.
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04-28-2004 04:41 PM #73
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Essential
Originally Posted by EDSGOLF
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04-28-2004 07:24 PM #74
With or without fighting those incidences will continue to happen as long as there are dumb asses playing the game who feel they are unstoppable. They have no self control and are not able to think of the consequences until after.
It makes me sick to see the instigators on TV after the occurance crying and trying to apologize, meanwhile the victim is in a hospital bed. This is not hockey...this is assault. I compare incidences like this to drunk drivers..."I thought it was a smart thing to do at the time". duh
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04-28-2004 08:06 PM #75Originally Posted by em69[URL=http://www.sportsfiend.ca/]Sportsfiend.ca - Make You Opinion Into News...
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04-28-2004 09:05 PM #76Originally Posted by el tigre
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04-29-2004 07:53 AM #77Originally Posted by jonf
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04-29-2004 10:10 AM #78Originally Posted by em69
Quite frankly, if you want to get violence out of hockey, you'd have to start with checking. Far more people are injured each year as a result of bodychecks than from fights, and it isn't even close!! What we're hearing now is still part of the backlash from an isolated incident (Bertuzzi) that wouldn't shock me to find out was roid-fuelled.
Go back to enjoying the terrible officiating of the playoffs.
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04-29-2004 10:34 AM #79Originally Posted by em69
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04-29-2004 01:01 PM #80
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Originally Posted by em69
I don't know anyone who would condone what Bertuzzi did, but there's nothing wrong with a good knuckler between two guys who are mutually agreeable to it.
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04-29-2004 01:27 PM #81Originally Posted by jonf
Originally Posted by jonf
Please be consistent.
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04-29-2004 01:59 PM #82Originally Posted by mr shank
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04-29-2004 03:00 PM #83
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Originally Posted by em69
This is why Bertuzzi will likely be charged, Moore certainly didn't consent to being attacked from behind, but this is totally different than two guys who agree to fight with each other.
Unfortunately violence does aid in solving problems outside the rink.
As far as how to explain to kids in the minors?? I don't really know, that's a tough one.
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04-29-2004 05:07 PM #84Originally Posted by em69
It's okay in the rink for the reasons pointed out above, namely "implied consent". You've obviously never played hockey at a high level, because if you had, you'd know about the paper work you have to file in order to be insured, essentially a liability waiver form.
How do you explain it to kids? Well, you teach them that everything has a context and a place. It's up to you as a parent, not the NHL as a league. If you don't think you're able to teach this to your kids, I'd suggest you never let them watch anything on TV, because none of it is particularly real.
Weren't you one of the people advocating boxing?
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04-29-2004 07:40 PM #85Originally Posted by broken27
I would never, ever teach my kids it's ok to fight in the rink. As for boxing...it's not my thing, but I do understand the sport for what it is.
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04-29-2004 07:51 PM #86Originally Posted by em69
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04-29-2004 08:19 PM #87Originally Posted by jonf
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04-29-2004 10:12 PM #88
To try and teach your kids it's ok for others but not ok for you is difficult. The kids look up to these players and they do want to imitate them in every way. It's just a hunch but it sounds like a response from someone who does not have kids.
Any who, I'm done with this dicussion...it would go on for ever.
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04-29-2004 10:24 PM #89Originally Posted by em69
Today's society is becoming one where everything is someone else's fault, and no one takes responsibility for their actions. We're going in a downward spiral and don't seem to be coming out of it. Whether it be blaming video games or hockey players for violence, or suing mcdonalds because their coffee is to hot, or their fries make us fat, society is becoming a group of whiners who can't deal with their own failures, and quite frankly, it disgusts me.
Well, that was quite off topic, but I had to get that out at some point.
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04-30-2004 10:59 AM #90Originally Posted by em69
To me it is likely the most important part of parenting, to be able to teach your kids what is okay to watch as opposed what is okay to do.
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