Who is worse than Joe Thornton in the playoffs?

[sillywilly]

i heard that since the lock out... briere has more points than anyone else in the playoffs

[jonf]

Bitter bitter Sens fans. For what it’s worth you all seem to forget that all the “specialist” did not see the Bruins make the post season this year before the season started. Now they are the god of all teams. Don’t forget that they got man handled 8 straight games last year by the Habs with this the same team that eliminated the habs this year. The only difference is injuries. That’s a fact and no one can deny it. Habs finished first in the east with 104 points. They also had close to record season start this year and were top 4 in the east for quite some time. It went downhill when Lang was injured.

If one injury results in a 3 months slide, there is a lot more wrong with your team than just 'injury trouble'. Especially when that player is Robert Lang. Give me a break. The injury excuse is absurd. Look at Montreal's lineup up front. They simply don't have the size or the depth to compete against a team as deep as Boston. Maybe the Lang injury was the spark that lit the fuse, but the lack of size and scoring depth up front (and the absurd pressure piled on Carey Price as the 8th 'second coming of patrick roy') were the piles of dynamite lining the foundations of the building.

Oh well, at least you're not as bad as Gainey, who wants to blame the Lightning GM for the downfall because he released the names of a few guys who were in trade talks. Ya, Bob, that was your only problem.

And I'm not bitter, I'm just observant. I recognize that the Sens have a lot of work to do and need to fill gaps. I do not blame their futility on some uncontrollable outside source like injuries that absolves them of all responsibility for their lack of production.

[jonf]

i heard that since the lock out... briere has more points than anyone else in the playoffs

Makes sense. He did go to the conference final the last 3 years. He's probably up there in games played.

[Hacker]

Well that’s easy. Just take a short drive to Kanata and ask the GM and scouts there. Ask them who they would take between Chara and Redden. Oh ya they have been that road before. Who did they pick again? I can here it coming, it’s the GM’s fault again. Always someone to blame in Ottawa and you guys talk about Habs fans. Go figure…..

What's your point here?? The fans don't get to make personnel decisions, GMs do. John Muckler is single-handedly responsible for Chara being a Bruin.

Are you electrolytes low from all the crying after the Habs pathetic exit from the play-offs?? Your reasoning abilities seem to have left you

[jeffc]

well, Joe and his crew didn't get the job done again. A fantastic season and the president's trophy has gone to waste. I actually thought they had it in them this year as I picked Joe and Marleau in my pool though this series was ripe for an upset.

[sensfan63]

well, Joe and his crew didn't get the job done again. A fantastic season and the president's trophy has gone to waste. I actually thought they had it in them this year as I picked Joe and Marleau in my pool though this series was ripe for an upset.

Sounds familiar to us in Ottawa, doesn't it? However, the Sharks are SUPPOSED to have an elite goaltender, so that narrows the "who to blame" crowd.

In the end, it was obviously a bad matchup for the Sharks. The Ducks sure didn't play like an 8 seed.

I thought that Thornton dropping the gloves was pretty idiotic on his part. I mean, you're the best player on the ice. Sitting in the box for 5 minutes isn't the way to go about helping your team. Just BE the best player on the ice.

For Joe, however, it's a lose-lose. He was just venting, I'm sure. And trying to motivate his team. Too little, too late I'm afraid.

[rezadue]

Don't mean to question your logic here Mike, but no one is to blame for the Chara thing. It is well known Chara wanted to be THE man. He wanted a team he could be a captain of. And as long as we have Alfredsson, that was not going to happen.

He decided not to re-sign. That is all.

Well that’s easy. Just take a short drive to Kanata and ask the GM and scouts there. Ask them who they would take between Chara and Redden. Oh ya they have been that road before. Who did they pick again? I can here it coming, it’s the GM’s fault again. Always someone to blame in Ottawa and you guys talk about Habs fans. Go figure…..

[jonf]

I feel pretty bad for Dan Boyle. If the rest of his team had put in half the effort he had, they would have cruised through to the next round.

[LobWedge]

I feel pretty bad for Dan Boyle. If the rest of his team had put in half the effort he had, they would have cruised through to the next round.

Don't feel so bad for him, he's already in that "1% Club".

[willylax]

Being from Peterborough (the true hockey town of Canada which also means the world I guess ), you get to know a few people who know hockey and the players in the N. A strength and conditioning coach who has helped the leafs, jays and a few other NHL and MLB teams told me at the gym last week that Big Joe almost retired a year ago because his back is so bad. He said his rough and power forward role is not as pre-dominant as before, NOT because he is a *, but the fact that he can not play that style anymore is due to health conditions. I will be the first to say it.

Joe Thornton will NOT be on team Canada come 2010. A great golfer and playmaker like Marc Savard will be there instead. Richards could also fill the role quite nicely for Joe.

My two cents,


Mike

[jeffc]

personally I think Savard is a long shot, as is Thornton now. Too much talent in Canada right now at the forward and especially centre.

[Mattchew]

personally I think Savard is a long shot, as is Thornton now. Too much talent in Canada right now at the forward and especially centre.

I agree... Dont mind Savard, but think he is going to be like Cheechoo. One good year and fade off.

[jeffc]

I agree... Dont mind Savard, but think he is going to be like Cheechoo. One good year and fade off.

well he's had a number of good seasons, he flies under the radar but I think there are some other guys ahead of him on the depth chart.

[sgemmiti]

no chance on Savard...that said 1 good year and then drop off?? give your head a shake...perhaps you should look over his numbers from the past 3 years before you speak

[LobWedge]

Okay, not to keep beating a dead horse, but this is funny.

http://www.team1200.com/tgor/hinterland-sharks.mp3

[Hacker]

Okay, not to keep beating a dead horse, but this is funny.

http://www.team1200.com/tgor/hinterland-sharks.mp3

I heard this driving into work the other day and almost drove into an OC Transpo bus because I was laughing so hard

[mberube]

Savard is the third canadien center scorer in the league. Here are the top 10:

Crosby (Sure thing)
Getzlaf
Savard
Thornton
Carter
Richards
Ribiero
Stall
Spezza
White
13-Toews
14-Lecavalier


I think Crosby, Getzlaf, Richards and Lecavalier will make the team. All 4 have lots of international wins under their belts and they are pure CDN type Canadian players. Thornton has not proven anything in post seasons and with his back…I think team Canada will go with a younger player.
There is also Carter, Stall, Spezza and Toews.

Carter has proven himself as a two way player and prolific goal scorer.
Stall Won the cup. Played amazing in the first round this year.
Spezza, I don’t like, too many turnovers but he still is a great passer and made the team last time. I prefer Savard.
Toews needs no introduction. He has IIHF experience and a few gold medals.

I like Savard but I don’t think he will make the team unless Boston wins or makes the final two this season.

Obviously the first half of the season might change some things.

[Hacker]

Savard is the third canadien center scorer in the league. Here are the top 10:

Crosby (Sure thing)
Getzlaf
Savard
Thornton
Carter
Richards
Ribiero
Stall
Spezza
White
13-Toews
14-Lecavalier

What a great problem to have eh?

I think you'll see the following make the team, but obviously some guys will be playing out of position.....

Crosby
Getzlaf
Carter
Richards
Stall
Toews
Lecavalier

[mberube]

I thought of that but there are some player on the RW and LW that will make the team like or should be considered:

RW:
Iginla
St-Louis
Doan (He makes the team every time..)
To be considered: (Setoguchi, Perry)

LW:
Camalleri
Nash
R.Smyth
R. Whitney

That being said all your pics are good and would not like to be the one to select the players that makes this team.

[jonf]

So many good centres right now...it's absurd.

I'd say put a question mark beside Richards though. We'll have to see how he recovers from shoulder surgery next year. Hopefully it won't affect him, but you never know with these things

[Hacker]

I thought of that but there are some player on the RW and LW that will make the team like or should be considered:

RW:
Iginla
St-Louis
Doan (He makes the team every time..)
To be considered: (Setoguchi, Perry)

LW:
Camalleri
Nash
R.Smyth
R. Whitney

That being said all your pics are good and would not like to be the one to select the players that makes this team.

Don't forget Danny Heatly - he's a lock to make the team IMO.....he and Getzlaf are unstoppable together.

We are off topic here so I'll start a new post re: Canada's 2010 Olympic Men's Hockey Team........maybe the Mods can transfer the last few posts from here to there

[willylax]

Too much depth for either of them to make the squad this time around. Just don't see it happening. Personally I think Canada needs to rid themselves of a checking line. They are so talented they should just fight fire with fire and make the opposition play against four scoring lines.

If you want to argue about having a checking line then here is your checking line:

LW Nash C M. Richards RW Iginla

[willylax]

As a "checker"

[smithers40]

Wade Redden?

Seems as if hes always on when the backbreaker goal is scored. Couple Sens series he was on the ice for the terrible defensive play that cost us a series and most recently he helps the rangers get eliminated with his poor defensive play on a simple 2 on 2 play. 2 on 2 each D man takes his guy and gives him nothing....Wade backs up and screens Lundy....BAM Fedorov snipes one through Reddens legs and over lundy's shoulder.


At least it wasn't just the Sens he screwed over

[leftylucas]

One more thing, how is your team doing in the playoffs?

That is not a convincing argument, my team is better than your team Ottawa won the P Cup and got blown out, you need all of your players and if your main man cannot fight through it year after year then yes we can point a finger. On the other hand if the other players on his team cannot take advantage of the double team then there is a problem. This Sharks team was built to beat Anaheim, they certainly did not look like it.

On subject though, I think that Alexi Yashin was the worst ever, Joe is miles ahead of him. You just nee dto look at Joe's performance with Team Canada to see that he can perform under pressure. Yashin simply shied away from the rough style of the playoffs and disppeared.