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04-21-2004 09:56 AM #1
Who's to blame for the Sens disappointing finish?
After another solid season (and another disappionting playoff run), who should take the blame?
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04-21-2004 09:58 AM #2Originally Posted by The Shtick
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04-21-2004 10:47 AM #3Big_duckGuestOriginally Posted by jonf
It's amazing how much slack the local fans and media are will cut Todd White just because he is from Kanata; for the record:
White 1 goal on 13 shots zero assists 4 pims +/- -1
Alphie 1 goal on 29 shots 2 assists 2 pims +/- 0
Martin (and his pets) have to go.
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04-21-2004 11:01 AM #4
Mukler didnt do his job in getting the right people on the ice. Getting Bondra was a mistake. Keeping Lalime was a mistake. Not trading Bonk was a mistake. Top dog gets my vote. :po
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04-21-2004 11:11 AM #5Originally Posted by Big_duck
I would Blame Belfour for the Sens elimination. Add that to the poll!
How many chances that Hosa have! Blefour was a wall! :cryinStrive for perfection, but never expect it!
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04-21-2004 11:13 AM #6
Well, I'n not voting because you left out the most obvious choice: Eddie Belfour.
Without him, the Leafs would have been gone in 4 straight and we wouldn't be having this discussion. The Sens outplayed the Leafs for 5 out of the 7 games, and were clearly the better TEAM throughout the series. They fired over 30 shots a game at the guy and played in the Toronto end for the majority of the series. Belfour was fantastic, and in the playoffs your goaltender is the most important player on the ice so the Leafs won. Just look at what happened to Detroit in last year's playoffs.
Sure some of the Sens did not play well (Bonk, Bondra, Havlat). Last year Lalime, Bonk and Havlat played great, and Alfie didn't. The year before, Alfie played great and Hossa never showed up. In this series, some of the Leafs sucked as well (Andropov, Berg, Kaberle), but they still won. It happens every year.
I'm not saying they don't need to make changes. But geez, you don't need to gut the team over ONE game or even ONE series - even if you lose to your hated rivals. Some guys sucked, but overall the team played well but they still lost. Get over it.[COLOR=green][B]Golf is a game invented by the same people who think music comes out of bagpipes.[/B][/COLOR]
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04-21-2004 11:25 AM #7Originally Posted by el tigre
Playing badly does not mean that they did not try. Lets take golf as an example. Have you ever played a tournament and you gave was not in you bag. The more you try, the more you crash. Havlat was trying like hell but could not get to the net.Strive for perfection, but never expect it!
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04-21-2004 11:29 AM #8
For me it was the lack of ability to adapt, so therefore the coaching staff including Martin. Ottawa won the first game well, their powerplay was firing, so what did Quinn et al do? Well they worked out how too shut down the powerplay.
What did Ottawa do when they were continually pushed to the outside? Nothing! they just kept playing the same way game after game and sure it produced a couple of wins but in the end the Sens had no answer to Quinns tactics.
Lalime was reasonably solid in most games they can't blame him because if the Ottawa coaching stff had done their home work instead of stubbornly resting on thier laurels then the series would have been (at least 4-1) to Ottawa.
Good luck Toronto, you'll need it against the flyers because Hitch is also a good tactician and players like Roenick and others will noty put in the kind of displays as Bonk and De Vries.
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04-21-2004 11:37 AM #9Originally Posted by The Shtick
Belfour won that series and Lalime lost it! Hockey can be won or loss based on goalies. If you do not have the confidence in your keeper you will not play well. Just another questions, where is Jason Spezza? One of the great prospects of the game and they don't play him. Sometimes young blood and fresh legs is just what a tea needs for a game seven, at least he would have given it his all. I wish they would trade him and stop jerking the kid around!
Denny :reallymad
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04-21-2004 11:38 AM #10
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Jacques Martin has done an excellent job developing this team. Unfortunately what they need now is a kick in the ass and to see a coach who cares behind the bench. Not that Martin does not care, I am sure he does - he just does not LOOK like he does. Get angrry, fire a water bottle on the ice every once in a while, whine about the refs, call out a player in public occassionally, have an angry press conference, light a fire for God sake. He has taken them from nobodies to the edge of success but he does not have that extra to get them over the edge.
Bonk. Needs a heart transplant. Trade him or walk away from him in the summer during free agency - don't even make him a qualifying offer.
Bondra and deVries were chances Muckler took that didn't pan out this season (unlike last year where the acquisition of Varada and Smolinksi worked out nicely). He did not give up anything off the roster other than some prospects and draft picks. They might work out next year. At least Bondra played with some passion on the PK unlike Bonk who skated around in a daze.
Goaltending. Successful teams all have good to excellent goaltending. Lalime has been a problem since October. Prusek didn't seize the opportunity to shine when it presented itself a couple of short stints in the regular season. Get rid of them both. Bring up Emery as the backup and troll the waters for a goaltender through either free agency or trade. Muckler is to be chastized for not upgrading at the position and Martin likewise for not going to Prusek mid-season and giving him a legitimate shot at winning the job.
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04-21-2004 11:50 AM #11Originally Posted by powerlefty
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04-21-2004 12:41 PM #12Originally Posted by el tigre
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04-21-2004 12:48 PM #13Originally Posted by dbleber
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04-21-2004 01:27 PM #14Big_duckGuestOriginally Posted by The Shtick
Although he has never lived up the the offensive potential he showed in the "I", he has turned into a fine defensive player. Worth the money? probably not. Worth having on the team? Probably.
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04-21-2004 06:00 PM #15Originally Posted by Steve Karam
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04-22-2004 01:06 PM #16
Press conference is on for the Sens. J Martin is out! :shake
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04-22-2004 01:32 PM #17
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04-22-2004 01:51 PM #18Originally Posted by The Shtick
Last edited by mberube; 04-22-2004 at 02:06 PM.
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04-22-2004 02:00 PM #19Big_duckGuestOriginally Posted by mberube
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04-22-2004 02:07 PM #20
Nobody's really blaming Martin for the team being eliminated. But the obvious thing is that he doesn't appear to be able to bring them to the next level, and thus was fired. Makes good sense. It's a hockey decision.
I think Jacques Martin is a very classy individual who knows hockey, cares about hockey, and is one of the best coaches out there for younger hockey teams. He won't be unemployed for long, as there are a few teams looking to rebuild at the moment, and Martin will fit right in. Rangers? Capitals? Blackhawks? Blues?
Will be interesting to see who we get. The top trio of guys who would fit well with Ottawa's team would be Keenan, Quenneville or Paul Maurice.
Cheers,
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04-22-2004 02:22 PM #21
As Muckler said today, "It's always easier to fire one guy than 29". He also mentioned that we need to get a coach more "offensive minded" and that maybe the message that Jaques was giving the players may have gotten a little "stale". It's a natural choice.
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04-22-2004 02:23 PM #22
I can't for the life of me figure out what everyone sees in Todd White. Everyone's quick to dump on Bonk, who was one of the more consistent performers among Ottawa forwards, but White's absolute lack of talent and skill goes unnoticed and he gets praised in the media because he rammed his face into the glass while missing a Leaf. Typical "homer-ism".
Bonk's one of the best Selke-type centers in the NHL. He's an extremely gifted passer, a superlative penalty killer, and while he undoubtedly could put up more points, he has at amassed more points than White ever has or will.
The blame for this loss (again) at the hands of the Make Beliefs has to be shared by all the players and coaches. Martin is done, and Lalime will likely be dealt or let go. You can't fire 29 hockey players, so you have to fire the coach.
And someone please give us a few pucks and a roll of hockey tape for Todd White!
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04-22-2004 02:24 PM #23Originally Posted by broken27
Quenneville and Paul Maurice are defensive style coaches. I don't think they will get the job. As for Keenan, the guy is an ass. Nobody will play for him. Look at FLA. They started to play good after his dismissal. Keenan is old school and players don’t take that anymore.Strive for perfection, but never expect it!
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04-22-2004 02:25 PM #24Originally Posted by broken27
Very good point Dan, I agree 100% with you on this one. We need someone with an attitude. Someone to say it like it is, these guys played bad in 2 games out of the 6. I would have liked to seen some emotion on his face and with in his reactions, to the indeferent play. Someone who will get mad, when they need it. :po
Martin will build another young team and should learn that once the team is built, it's time to move on.I've spent most of my life golfing .... the rest I've just wasted"
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04-22-2004 02:29 PM #25Originally Posted by broken27
As for Todd White, he can go play for Jacques Martin's new team in my opinion.
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04-22-2004 02:32 PM #26Originally Posted by broken27
Dan, did you notice Toronto has a whole team of Todd Whites. Guys who give it 110% every night. Bonk didnt do that for 6 games and White did. The Leafs arent using their golf clubs today and the Sens are. So I'd like to see them all play like Todd White, Mike Fisher and a few others, then we'd be in round 2 right now.I've spent most of my life golfing .... the rest I've just wasted"
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04-22-2004 02:35 PM #27
That is what Boston have been doing for the past 20 years...Hmmmmmm!!!! Still no Cup in Bean town. MTL has been changing coaches for the last 8 years and this is the first year that the team has been playing well since the 93 cup. Quenneville’s gone and so are the blues. The list goes on and on.
I am anxious to see who will replace him!!!!Strive for perfection, but never expect it!
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04-22-2004 02:38 PM #28
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Originally Posted by broken27
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04-22-2004 02:46 PM #29Originally Posted by powerlefty
Nobody can convince me that White is better than Bonk, nor that White is a better guy to have on your team. That's pure nonsense, which for some reason has been perpetuated by local media who have done nothing but vilify Bonk since the very beginning.
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04-22-2004 03:04 PM #30Big_duckGuestOriginally Posted by broken27
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