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04-14-2004 11:46 AM #31
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Originally Posted by Andru
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Tiger never said that. It must be one's thinking that Phil won it because Tiger didn't have his A game. Tiger didn't say that, neither anybody else. and as I know everybody congratulated Phil for his excellent performance on masters. But this is not acceptable to some to see Phil won it on his own merit and not because Tiger had his B game or whatever game. Phil won it fair and square. Tiger is not playing to his expectations and his fans. but this is very hard for some to digest and not acceptable to see somebody like Phil can win a master on his own merit, they have to credit it to tigers B game. Let it be, That's the power of Tiger over some narrow minded people that even Tiger's loss is not good enough for them.
some say we don't like his attitude on and of the course. No. there is nothing wrong with his attitude, he is excellent there too. Andru brought up some points on that regard. It's not his attitude that bothers some. It's his successes and dominants of the game that some have had enough of and can't take it more.
It's Bill gate's Windows that some don't like. it's not Bill himself. it's not Tiger. It's Tiger's success that has become a resentment to some and has frustrated them over the years. and they try to get to him any other ways "attacking his personality" but to beat him on the field.
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04-14-2004 11:54 AM #32
Phil Mickelson's birthdate: June 16, 1970
I don't know Farzin, but that doesn't add up to 39....
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04-14-2004 11:59 AM #33
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Originally Posted by broken27
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04-14-2004 12:03 PM #34
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Originally Posted by Hanifi
And guess what Hanifi...Tiger had his chance in the Masters...AND LOST. Big time.
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04-14-2004 12:09 PM #35Originally Posted by Hanifi
Besides which, this isn't about Phil Mickelson, it's about Tiger Woods.
Personally, I think instead of arguing about "my daddy's bigger than your daddy", we should accept that perhaps we're all correct in cheering for who we cheer for. Some people like Tiger, some like Phil, some like both, some like neither. Is anyone more right than anyone else?
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04-14-2004 01:19 PM #36
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I have always considered Tiger to be obtuse, but have always attributed it him having so much to lose. I don't really care for the guy, but, if he makes a comment that offends people it's a huge deal.
If someone like Skippy Kendall makes the same sort of comment, nobody, with the exception of Skippy's mother, will care.
IMO Phil has never been a whiner. If you want to see the epitome of a whiner, look no further than Diva Love...uh...I mean Davis Love lll.
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04-14-2004 01:37 PM #37Originally Posted by Big_duck
We were talking about this at lunch today, maybe Tiger needs to find out that the game is fun again, that it is a game!It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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04-14-2004 01:41 PM #38Originally Posted by Colby
Phil's disposition was likely due in large part to the huge galleries that were following HIM around. Normally he tends to draw a second-tier gallery because everyone is watching Tiger. This time, he was feeding off the love.
I think that the idea of Tiger taking a year off would be a good idea. He is already playing fewer and fewer tournaments. Of course, there's always some excuse when he plays bad (at the Masters they were saying that he was brutally ill :shake ). Really the concept of having fun playing golf (for more money than I'm likely to see in my lifetime) is one that almost all of us can relate to. Tiger needs to rediscover that feeling.
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04-14-2004 02:50 PM #39
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Originally Posted by broken27Originally Posted by broken27
How do we know if he is having fun or not. Is it because of the game mask he puts on any time he plays. He has been competing all his life at every level. If he was not been enjoying it, you think he would have done this much.
Who the hell am I to tell Tiger to enjoy a game that he has mastered. I am not going to tell him enjoy the game or take a year of because I don't like your game mask. Comm on guys, you seem like the bowl that is hotter than the soup inside. Let him be his own coach, let him be himself, let him enjoy the game the way he wants it, I enjoy the competition and enjoy everything that he has brought to the game. I am having fun with it. I enjoy watching him play when he has that mask on, if he takes it off, then he is not playing his game. he is playing somebodys' else game. After all isn't he just playing the game?
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04-14-2004 03:04 PM #40
Farzin, I'm not disagreeing with you at all. It's just that you are stating things like Tiger wearing his mask as though it's a fact, while I'm just speculating that lately his head doesn't seem as into the game as it was two years ago. The main difference (the only two things that have really changed as far as I know) is that Tiger dumped his coach (for whatever reason) and picked up that Swedish woman. Since then, his results are not up to his usual standards (with a few exceptions).
It's just an opinion, so don't feel like you have to argue with me about it. I'm not trying to convince anyone to dislike Tiger. I'm just saying that I personally do!
Cheers,
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04-14-2004 03:10 PM #41Big_duckGuestOriginally Posted by Hanifi
One of the nice things about golf is you don't need the 'game face' for the entire game, just from pre-shot routine to follow through. Look at the players that have longevity on the tour like Jack, Arnie, Travino. These guys were all tough competitors, but between shots, they really seemed to enjoy themselves out there.
Daly tried it the sponsors way; cut out the booze, took everything seriously ... and tanked. Now he's out there enjoying himself and contending again.
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04-14-2004 03:21 PM #42Originally Posted by Hanifi
Seriously though, there is no disputing Tiger's talent. As I mentioned in a previous post, he is arguably the best golfer ever. He has some records to break yet, and he may do so. He is not my favourite player. I just find that his image based on TV appearances and staged events like commercials, differs greatly from the person who is on the golf course. And this may differ greatly from the person who he is in his private life, which I hope we never find out as I feel strongly that a person's private life, even though they are a public figure, is there own.
I saw Tiger up close for four straight days. The only time I wasn't with him was when he was in the clubhouse. But when he headed to the putting green, driving range, first tee, I was there, looking for cameras, cell phones, people jostling in the crowd. If I ever hear "Tiger, you're the man" again, it will be too soon. Tiger's fans are fanatical, probably not unlike Arnie's Army that was around in his time. Tiger has brought attention to the game, for good and for bad as times must change.
I would just like to see Tiger treat the kids a bit better, because the look in their eyes when he walks right by with no acknowledgement, is one of the saddest looks I have ever seen.It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
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04-14-2004 03:46 PM #43
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Originally Posted by Big_duck
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04-14-2004 03:53 PM #44
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Originally Posted by Colby
I hope he does that too. Also I hear he attends kids clincs and stuff like that, but maybe it's never enough what he does and he has to do more and give back more to golf fans.
now don't forget to bring your A game on Friday.
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04-14-2004 04:05 PM #45Originally Posted by HanifiIt could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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04-14-2004 04:25 PM #46AndruGuestOriginally Posted by Colby
Just a note. He was actually going to fort brag to do a golf clinic with the kids. His Idea. ( his Dad's and ex beret ) He decided to do 4 days of training after the fact.
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04-14-2004 04:28 PM #47Originally Posted by Andru
Watch out Osama!!!!
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04-14-2004 04:40 PM #48Originally Posted by Andru
It is your choice to idolize Tiger, I have stated that I respect the man's game, I don't necessarily respect the man, and he probably doesn't care about me either! I'm saying it appears to me that he is being a a bit hypocritical to make the commercials with kids, to spend time with kids on arranged visits and then ignore them at the course once the golf is over for the day. Which I have seen on five occasions, once in December 2002, and four times in June of 2003.It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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04-14-2004 04:51 PM #49
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i'm gonna get yelled at for this... but...
I don't care if Tiger gets pissed and hits the ground with his club. The guy is human and he's playing with a heck of alot my pressure then any of us can imagine. I can tell you there's a heck of alot worse people out there that get pissed and show it in worse ways. I've seen people snap/throw/break clubs, amongst other things. It's not fair for us to write how bad of a role model that he is because there's no way we can relate to what he has to go through and his mental process. Look at Pat Perez... I've seen that guy beat the crap out of a tee box like it's nobodys business because of a bad tee shot - now that guy's got issues. You don't see that get picked apart (i'm not saying it's right, but just as an example). . And for the record, I'm actually not a Tiger fan... i really don't like him as a player - but not for his behaviour on the course. I'm sure everyone out there has gotten pissed at work before and handled it in less than reputable ways. You're human.
Tiger woods may be a golf god, but he's still a person regardless, and I think alot of people forget that.
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04-14-2004 05:24 PM #50
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Originally Posted by yun
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04-14-2004 05:25 PM #51
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Originally Posted by Colby
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04-14-2004 06:11 PM #52Originally Posted by yun
Smoke and mirrors, unfortunately, from my perspective.It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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04-14-2004 07:25 PM #53
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Originally Posted by Colby
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04-14-2004 08:22 PM #54Originally Posted by Deep Woods
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04-14-2004 10:30 PM #55AndruGuestOriginally Posted by Colby
I've seen him once in 2000 at the bell canadian open. and 6 times at the PGA in Rochester last year. He signed hundreds of autographs. From what I've seen he's a good guy. He smiled during his practice rounds and joked around with 'MO' on the tee.
I really don't expect the guy to be Fuzzy or Jake. I don't think anyone should. He plays better when he's focused. That's his thing. People don't pay to see him tell jokes. They pay to see him hit 270 yard 2 irons.
Like I said given the demands on him. Which far and away exceed anything. Jack, Arnie or Gary had to deal with. He's done a good job balancing his emotions and fame.
If you don't like him. It's your opinion. I'll pull for. I actually don't root against anyone. I kind of pull for everyone to do well. Even the people I compete against.
That's just me. And that's how "the cookie crumbles!" Just saw the movie pretty funny.
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04-15-2004 12:10 AM #56
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It's unbelievable what I am reading!!!!!!!
Think about what you guys are really saying... realistically what is the worst thing you can say that Tiger has really done? If Tiger signed every autograph in front of him he would never leave the course... literally. I really don't think anybody has taken the time to really think about what this guy must go through every time he tees it up. It ain't like the old days. I keep hearing everyone talk about how good Jack and Lee and Fuzzy were... well guess what? They all play on the champions tour... and guess what? nobody cares. So lets go back to why Tiger's on TV so much.... because people want to see him. Thats right... has anyone noticed how much golf's popularity has risen? how about the TV ratings and contracts? how about the prize money? mmmm what could it be? Why are the events that Tiger's in A) worth so much more
B) draw so many more people c) double the TV ratings? It's because people want to
see Tiger. period.
Let me give you guys a quick lesson on how golf tournament coverage works. On saturday and sunday the tee times are in order of ranking in that particular tournament.. meaning the players who have the worst score tee off in the morning and the leaders tee off last. Also the networks always broadcast in the mid to late afternoon to follow the leaders... so if Tiger is among those in contention he will be shown... if not then he won't. I watched the entire Masters coverage of the final round and they hardly showed any Tiger because he was way back. Can anyone dispute this? As for the 1st two rounds.... I WOULD rather see the best players play... because if its some guy ranked 134th in the world who shot a 66... I know he isn't going to be there on Sunday... thats just the way golf is. Why didn't they show Justin Rose??? because he was finished his round by the time the coverage started! He teed up at 8:22 a.m..... the coverage started at 4??? The letter F beside the -5
of his score on top of the leaderboard actually indicated that he had completed his round. I feel sorry for all the people who saw this but were tuning in anxiously to see Justin Rose play.
It is so often the time that people are searching for excuses to diss Tiger... this thread started as a post regarding a funny commercial Tiger made and a bunch of Tiger haters jumped in to say how bad he is... why?? Daly is an alcoholic who beat his wife.... admittedly.. but everyone still loves him because he represents " the common
man". But this same forum was filled with compliments when he won.
Also Tiger never said another guy one because he played his "B" game... that is totally incorrect. If he is in the media tent being asked how he played after shooting 73 what do you think he is going to say??? Oh I played great but somebody played better??? wrong. Golf is an individual sport. You can only control what you do... most golfers understand this, Tiger certainly does. And all of you know it too. Think of what you regularly shoot... now add 10. Did you play bad because the other guy played good. Do you attribute your bad play to the fact that the other guy you were playing with played well??? In golf all you can control is your own game... Thats it!!!
I have heard Tiger say he had his B game... what is wrong with that?? do you play your best every round?? The media probably asked him how he played. Not how the other guy played.
Anyways... as far as role models go.. its very difficult to find them in golf or any other sport for that matter. Personally I don't think pro athletes should be role models.. period.
Having said all this I don't agree with everything Tiger does. He is quite immature on the course and with the amount of mental "discipline" he supposedly has you would think he didn't have to swear as much as he does. He does act like a little bit of a b*tch. But I am sure if I saw other golfers as much as Tiger I would say the same thing. I know personally I have seen that from Phil, Vijay, Ernie, Fred, Jack, Arnie, Lee etc... golf is a very frustarting game... in case you haven't noticed.
It appears I have written quite the novel here.. to be honest I have had quite a few drinks with the Sens winning and everything.. (go sens!)... but I have re-read it and decided that this is pretty much my opinion on the issue... and I do expect some rebuttal in return...
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04-15-2004 01:20 AM #57
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Tiger's the best
I've read and read the responses people have out there, but I don't quite get what all of you are saying or trying to get at. It's simple, Tiger is the best golfer in the world, end of story. He will win at least 1 major this year, he will probably win player of the year again, and the way he acts on the golf course has nothing to do with who he is off the golf course. He is focused on the course, and yes he does sign autographs, I have been to 2 events in which I followed Tiger for 18 holes, and yes it's true he doesn't acknowledge the crowd like other players might do, but that's just the way he is on the course, he's focused, he's determined to win and that's why he wins so much. There's nothing wrong with Tiger, he will break Nicklaus' records he will go down in history as the best player ever, if you don't like him that's fine, and if you think he's simply a "money making machine" that's fine, but you will see that he is the player to beat every time he's in a tournament, simply because HE IS THE BEST GOLFER IN THE WORLD.
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Originally Posted by McGavin
Second, I don't watch for Tiger, and I know many who don't. You do. That's great. Don't tell me Tiger is bigger than golf, thats bull-pucky...anyone whos been around knows it...
Third, Tiger is best in the world NOW. The best in the world EVER was/is Jack Nicklaus.
Fourth, Tiger is about money. No one is saying he isn't great, I'm just saying a better role model for kids would be nice.
Fifth, to say "I had my B game today" AUTOMATICALLY IMPLIES that he could have beaten the winner, INSTEAD of saying "WELL DONE SO AND SO".
And to see all the comments on the forum, I see sportsmanship values are GONE GONE GONE.
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Originally Posted by Colby
Originally Posted by Colby
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04-15-2004 08:33 AM #60Originally Posted by Hanifi
And I'm not telling him how to run his life, I don't like the way he acts, which is my opinion, which I'm pretty sure that Tiger doesn't give a crap about, I don't know he hasn't called me lately And I believe that if Tiger doesn't make some changes, he's going to fade away in the next few years, at minimum have a slump. Keeping a focus like he does for so long, probably close to 20+ years, has to take it's toll on both body and mind.
And I also never said I disliked watching him play. I like to watch good golf, no matter who is playing. Just show me the good golf, not a possibility of good golf.It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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