Whiff!!!

[BC MIST]

A player whiffs his tee shot and then lifts his ball, removes the tee and drops the ball
where the tee had been. The player then plays a stroke onto the fairway. The player lies ???. Why?

[goochy]

OK...here is my take...I need to learn this stuff.

Once he has teed the ball up and then made a swing at the ball it is now in play and he must play it as it lies (ie from the tee)

If he had driven it into a water hazard or OB he could have (after taking the penalty stroke) played his next shot from the deck of the teeing ground or from a tee if he wanted to

Is this right?

[BC MIST]

OK...here is my take...I need to learn this stuff.

(1) Once he has teed the ball up and then made a swing at the ball it is now in play and he must play it as it lies (ie from the tee)

(2) If he had driven it into a water hazard or OB he could have (after taking the penalty stroke) played his next shot from the deck of the teeing ground or from a tee if he wanted to

Is this right?

The first part of statement (1) is correct, that is, the ball is in play.

From (2) remember, he hit the ball on to the fairway.

[goochy]

Ah...so once he swings and misses that is a stroke and the ball is in play on the tee.

He then lifts it and drops it on the teeing ground....that's a one stroke penalty for moving a ball in play and then plays it from the wrong place (for not putting it back on the tee where it should be) incurring a further 2 stroke penalty...so 3 in total

Am I getting warmer????

I like these challenges

[Hacker]

The wiff counts as 1 stroke - the wiff also constitutes a stroke which would mean that the ball in considered in play??

Another 1 stroke penalty would be assessed under 18-2 for moving a ball in play.

Two more penalty stokes would be assessed under 20-7 for playing from the wrong place.

1 wiff + 3 penalty strokes + 1 stroke = laying 5 in the fairway??

[BC MIST]

The wiff counts as 1 stroke - the wiff also constitutes a stroke which would mean that the ball in considered in play??

Another 1 stroke penalty would be assessed under 18-2 for moving a ball in play.

Two more penalty stokes would be assessed under 20-7 for playing from the wrong place.

1 wiff + 3 penalty strokes + 1 stroke = laying 5 in the fairway??

You guys are mean.

The correct answer should leave you all

There is NO penalty!!! Why not?

[Hacker]

You guys are mean.

The correct answer should leave you all

There is NO penalty!!! Why not?

I obviously have no idea

[Hacker]

A "stroke" is the forward movement of the club made with the intention of striking at and moving the ball, but if a player checks his downswing voluntarily before the clubhead reaches the ball he has not made a stroke.

How could the wiff NOT be considered a stroke?

And if it is a stroke, the ball is in play so I don't know how there isn't a penalty for moving a ball in play.

What am I missing in the definitions and/or rules??

[Hacker]

See decision 11-3/1 isn't this pretty much what we are talking about??

[BC MIST]

See decision 11-3/1 isn't this pretty much what we are talking about??

In 11-3/1, after the whiff, the player addressed the ball that was still on the tee. If he them moves it, he is penalized 1 stroke and is required to replace it. However, in my scenario, he picked up the ball after the whiff, removed the tee and dropped the ball where the tee was. No penalty.

Last chance. What rule permits him to do this?

[Hacker]

In 11-3/1, after the whiff, the player addressed the ball that was still on the tee. If he them moves it, he is penalized 1 stroke and is required to replace it. However, in my scenario, he picked up the ball after the whiff, removed the tee and dropped the ball where the tee was. No penalty.

Last chance. What rule permits him to do this?

I'm stumped

[BC MIST]

I'm stumped

What was the tee (peg) before he swung and missed?
What was the tee after he whiffed, when the ball was now in play?

[Hacker]

What was the tee (peg) before he swung and missed?
What was the tee after he whiffed, when the ball was now in play?

Before the swing the tee would be considered as equipment.

After the stroke the tee would be a removable obstruction - 24.1 providing free relief.

Therefore,

One wiff + one stroke = Player lying 2 in the FW..........??

[AAA]

Before the swing the tee would be considered as equipment.

After the stroke the tee would be a removable obstruction - 24.1 providing free relief.

Therefore,

One wiff + one stroke = Player lying 2 in the FW..........??

Correct conclusion but one small point.

The tee is a movable obstruction at all times. It (as many things) can be more than one thing at a time.

[Hacker]

Correct conclusion but one small point.

The tee is a movable obstruction at all times. It (as many things) can be more than one thing at a time.

Thanks for the clarification

[nokids]

A player whiffs his tee shot and then lifts his ball, removes the tee and drops the ball
where the tee had been. The player then plays a stroke onto the fairway. The player lies ???. Why?

in the end, what's the answer? you wrote there is no penalty but isn't there a penalty for whiffing on the first attempt? so the player is lying 2 on the fairway, going for his 3rd shot?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golf_etiquette#Tee_box
http://www.golfcourseranking.com/quiz.php
http://www.golf.com/golf/instruction...9572-0,00.html

[Foddz]

Taking a stroke and missing the golf ball entirely is counted the same as taking a stroke and making contact.

A stroke is a stroke, regardless of the outcome.

[goochy]

so the player is lying 2 on the fairway, going for his 3rd shot?

That's it...just like Hacker wrote...this was a tough one

[nokids]

cool. these scenarios are fun.