Kenny Perry wins John Deere Classic in playoff over Adamonis, Williamson

[John]

What the hell does that have to do with this discussion?

[Shivas Irons]

The PGA does not need marketing.

Do you really believe this? Come on now, everyone who is trying to sell a product needs marketing or the masses forget about you. Even more so if you have a less than dynamic individual like Kenny Perry dominating your tour.

It needs proven winners and Kenny Perry has proven he is a winner.

I must say I don't get this part at all. Other than by winning, how else would you be considered a proven winner?

Camilo, Stud Boy, when he is going to win so Finchem can "Market" him?

There are other marketable players, but I'm sure Finchem would love nothing more (other than to be able to rub sun tan lotion on Camillo's back) than to have Camillo win.

Heck TA3 has been right there on Sunday during the past month.Imagine if he won an event? The guy parties like an animal and goes out plays golf and has been close in a couple of events. 48 years old to boot. Chicks dig him too. So much for "Marketing Young Studs on The PGA Tour"

Yes, we'll have to imagine TA3 winning because the reality is it's not going to happen.
'Chicks' dig him? Really ? What 'chicks' ?
I mean, I hear about 'chicks' 'digging' Camillo and Adam Scott, but TA3? Not in the last couple of decades anyway. His time has come and gone. Actually it never did come, but it is gone.

[3Jack]

What the hell does that have to do with this discussion?

What does what have to do with this discussion?

[John]

Wow you my friend are a true gem.

[1972Apex]

I never realized boring Kenny Perry inspired so much love/hate in so many people

[John]

That's hilarious Reid, I almost posted pretty close to exactly the same thing at the same time as you.

[Kilroy]

I am suprised this topic is getting people rattled. I say congrats to the winner (there is one every week) and power to the tour if they get some buzz going (publicity) regardless who that winner is.

Are the young single guys "sexier"? I'd hope so. They are more likeley mating candidates for young women. That's marketable on a coulple of levels. Marketable to the girls who like the boys. Also to the young men... We should all remember the "Bads" commercials where he was draped with young women. Obviously it says "Golf is cool. Be good at it and you too could get the "jam".

Do guys at 47 and up look at Kenny Perry and smile? I do. It's awesome that he's kicking butt. Golf is cool, and if I was that good at it, I'd be rich. That would be some very nice "jam".

[3Jack]

Wow you my friend are a true gem.

Seriously, which post were you referring to? I ask in all sincerity because your post was the first on page two, and didn't quote that which to you refer...

[Shivas Irons]

Do guys at 47 and up look at Kenny Perry and smile? I do. It's awesome that he's kicking butt.

Considering the number of commercials I see for Cialis during the coverage maybe Perry is right in the PGA's marketing wheel house afterall.
"Tune in next week and watch Kenny hit it stiff!"

[Kilroy]

3Jack and John... please let it go.

[spackler]

I only wish Kenny Perry was playing the British because I love watching it, and to not have a player of his caliber in the field is a bit of a let down. Obviously the tournament will be fine without him, but the whole point of majors are to see the best players play each other on the best courses, to see who among them is the best of the best. He is certainly among that top echelon right now. I don't fault him for not going, and he certainly has every right to pick whatever tournaments he wants, I'm just speaking as as a fan of golf. It would be more fun to watch him there this week.

Now watch the first alternate win it all....

[3Jack]

3Jack and John... please let it go.

I'm quite happy to do so, just have no idea what he's talking about... not sure if he was addressing me or not.

[John]

I think it was in reference to the "who will be remembered comment" but at this point it's moot my friend!

[3Jack]

I think it was in reference to the "who will be remembered comment" but at this point it's moot my friend!

Ah ok, I see.

[Golfbum]

I am suprised this topic is getting people rattled. I say congrats to the winner (there is one every week) and power to the tour if they get some buzz going (publicity) regardless who that winner is.

Are the young single guys "sexier"? I'd hope so. They are more likeley mating candidates for young women. That's marketable on a coulple of levels. Marketable to the girls who like the boys. Also to the young men... We should all remember the "Bads" commercials where he was draped with young women. Obviously it says "Golf is cool. Be good at it and you too could get the "jam".

Do guys at 47 and up look at Kenny Perry and smile? I do. It's awesome that he's kicking butt. Golf is cool, and if I was that good at it, I'd be rich. That would be some very nice "jam".

The way I see it Dan is a lot of the forum members are a lot younger than you and I. so they like the younger players and that is ok.

Guys in their late 40's mean nothing to them anymore. Now I wonder if Tiger is still playing and won 3 events out of his late 5 at the age of 47 would that be "COOL"? Somehow I bet it would.

But since it is a guy like Kenny Perry who happens to have a bit of a belly he is not perceived to be "COOL" by the younger generation.

That is a shame when you think about it. So what if he hits a draw all day long? I bet every guy on this forum wishes he could hit solid draws all day long like Kenny does. The man is hitting drives upwards of 350 on some holes. Boring? Not in my books. He flew a 3 wood onto a 319 yard par 4 on Sunday. How can that be boring to watch? 5 years ago I hit every shot with a draw and trust me that was not boring at all. Unless you call shooting in the low 70's round after round boring.

They can say what they want about Kenny. He has 3 wins, one which came at The Memorial which was a solid field. He is leading the FedEx Cup points race, will be on the Ryder Cup Team. Seems to me that is a pretty solid year of golf right there. No matter who it is, Kenny, Anthony Kim, Phil or Tiger.

Some judge careers based on Major wins, which is fine. However if you take a look at some careers of proven winners they might not have a Major. Monty is a prime example of that. 7 or 8 European Order of Merits is nothing to sneeze at. Sure it is not the "PGA" but in my books it is the second best tour in the world. No Monty does not have a Major win and I am sure he wishes he did. However he had a solid career and was a Ryder Cup demon.

Was I disappointed when Kenny announced he would not be going to play The Open? Yes I was. However that is his decision and if he feels he is doing the right thing then so be it.

I hope he wins again this season!

[3Jack]

I'm 40, and my favorite player, outside of Jack and Tiger, has always been Fred Couples - who is about the same age as KP. While it's a stretch to say that age has nothing to do with marketability, it does impact the demographic attracted, and as such. If you want to grow the game, you look to the Camillo's, Sergio's, and Adam Scott's of the tour. There's a place too for the KP's, Freddie's and Calc's as well, but you'd not expect to draw the same eyeballs. Marketability in this case has little to do with how far someone can fly the golfball, but more to do with watchability and entertainment value - much of which is missing from KP's repitoire. Not his fault, but it's the truth.

More power to KP for winning three of his last five - hopefully it inspires my man Freddie to break through again.

Thumbs up for KP being true to his word by defending the BC Open, but at the same time, thumbs down to KP for skipping majors.

[Shivas Irons]

If you want to grow the game, you look to the Camillo's, Sergio's, and Adam Scott's of the tour. .

That's the fact Jack!

There's a place too for the KP's, Freddie's and Calc's as well, but you'd not expect to draw the same eyeballs.

Don't forget Rocco, he proved it is possible to be be in your upper 40's with the body of Homer Simpson and still have hoards of fans cheering for you. However, having older, fatter guys win on tour helps reinforce the preception that golf is, as far as athletisicm is concerned, on par with darts and bowling.

Marketability in this case has little to do with how far someone can fly the golfball, but more to do with watchability and entertainment value - much of which is missing from KP's repitoire. Not his fault, but it's the truth.

Good post Jack, as Andre Agassi used to say, 'An ounce of image is worth a pound of performance'.

[Sakuraba]

Well said, 3Jack.
I understand what you're saying, & you're entitled to find him boring to watch, I just think he's looking pretty cool in my new av over there!

[LobWedge]

I guess that all a discussion like this proves is that there is a difference between professional golf and real golf.

[jvincent]

While it's a stretch to say that age has nothing to do with marketability, it does impact the demographic attracted, and as such. If you want to grow the game, you look to the Camillo's, Sergio's, and Adam Scott's of the tour.

The PGA Tour, and the folks who advertise on its telecasts know the golf demographic very well.

That is why the telecasts are chock full of Viagra, Levitra, Cialis, Smith Barney, Avodart, AMEX, Buick, Cadillac, BMW, Morgan Stanley, etc. commercials.

Middle aged guys with lots of disposable income is the golf demographic. They have tried to move it into the younger crowd but without much real success.

There's a reason Tiger endorses Buick you know.

[Shivas Irons]

Middle aged guys with lots of disposable income is the golf demographic. They have tried to move it into the younger crowd but without much real success.

True, and as long as guys like Kenny Perry continue to rack up wins the younger crowd are unlikely to watch golf, or take up the game.

[jvincent]

True, and as long as guys like Kenny Perry continue to rack up wins the younger crowd are unlikely to watch golf, or take up the game.

Well then the youngsters had better start to step up then.

If the PGA Tour had a "must play" policy like the LPGA then you'd see the likes of Tiger and Phil at the smaller venues. Of course the PGA Tour does not dare bite the hand that feeds it so it won't happen.

I'm sure that Tim Finchem's recurring nightmare is that Tiger will retire early or die is some freak accident. Without Tiger in the mix the advertising revenue will be way, way down from what it is today.

[LobWedge]

True, and as long as guys like Kenny Perry continue to rack up wins the younger crowd are unlikely to watch golf, or take up the game.

I highly doubt that. People love a winner, no matter how old or damaged they are.

Just look at Josh Hamilton in baseball. He's the toast of MLB this year, but 4 years ago he was near death from blowing his $4M signing bonus on alcohol and crack.

[Shivas Irons]

I highly doubt that. People love a winner, no matter how old or damaged they are.
Just look at Josh Hamilton in baseball. He's the toast of MLB this year, but 4 years ago he was near death from blowing his $4M signing bonus on alcohol and crack.

While I agree that people love a winner, I don't see the younger crowd getting excited about Kenny Perry.

I'm not sure where the comparison to Josh Hamilton figures in this, it is timely but I don't see the relevance. Hamilton is a 28 year old MLB player with tattoos that many young people probably consider cool, and he looks as though he's in excellent shape.
Kenny Perry on the other hand is a 47 year old golfer who resembles an overweight vacuum cleaner salesman.

[3Jack]

And like it or not, players like KP are the reason many say golfers are not athletes.

[Weazl]

It has nothing to do with KP's age, but his choice to skip the British Open to try and win a tournament only lesser golfers will play in. Basically, regardless of what he says promise or not, I thinkits a copout as he knows he cannot compete with the best in the world but that he can beat the rest. Like I said we'll see him get his ass handed to him when he makes the Ryder Cup by beating lesser known players. He'll win all the b flight tournaments and then get whipped and I can't wait to see it!

[1972Apex]

we'll see him get his ass handed to him when he makes the Ryder Cup by beating lesser known players. He'll win all the b flight tournaments and then get whipped and I can't wait to see it!

Well then he'll fit right in with the rest of the American team then won't he?

[spackler]

Seriously guys, unless any of you are on the marketing staff of the PGA tour or it's agencies, who cares? Kenny Perry isn't bad for golf, and the young players are winning far more often than the older players so it doesn't matter anyway. Players under 30 have won what, something like 11 or 12 times this year, including the Masters. That doesn't even include Tiger or Ogilvy who are in their early 30s.

[justsomeguy]

While I agree that people love a winner, I don't see the younger crowd getting excited about Kenny Perry.

So what? Its golf, not pro wrestling or a reality show. There is no "puppetmaster" in the background calling all the shots to ensure that the "right" people win. Would you prefer to have the winners pre-selected according to marketability like the WWE?

I'm not sure where the comparison to Josh Hamilton figures in this, it is timely but I don't see the relevance. Hamilton is a 28 year old MLB player with tattoos that many young people probably consider cool, and he looks as though he's in excellent shape.
Kenny Perry on the other hand is a 47 year old golfer who resembles an overweight vacuum cleaner salesman.

Yeah, its a good thing for Kenny there was no swimsuit component to the competition.

[LobWedge]

Who cares if golfers are considered "athletes" or not?