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11-04-2007 07:46 PM #1
I can't believe..........
.........that the colts didn't pull all of their starters once they had DOUBLED the pats score with less than 9 minutes left in the game
At least the Pats did the "proper" thing and took 3 knees rather than running the score up as they've been accused of over the last few weeks..........
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11-04-2007 07:59 PM #2
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11-04-2007 08:06 PM #3
That was just a retarded statement. The points made thus far about the Pats have been justified and realistic, this was just not funny or realistic.
Lots of yoga pants these days, not enough Yoga!
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11-04-2007 08:09 PM #4
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11-04-2007 08:51 PM #5
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11-04-2007 08:16 PM #6
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11-04-2007 08:18 PM #7
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11-04-2007 08:48 PM #8
A true football fan or even sports fan knows you do not show up an opponent. Oh well.
Lots of yoga pants these days, not enough Yoga!
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11-05-2007 03:20 PM #9
its against the rules.. not against the law I'll take out the QB if it meant a 15 yard penality and may a small fine. Don't run up the score on teams to prove that when you were cheating it didn't impact the games... if it didn't impact the games then why did you do it??
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11-05-2007 04:20 PM #10
Hold on here silly.... everyone is saying it is an unwritten rule...... do not tie this directly to the supposed cheating that they did.... thats not a valid reason in my very humble and simple mind..... I want to know what is wrong with running up scores not why the pats shouldn't run up scores ....
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11-05-2007 03:32 PM #11
These aren't eight year olds we're talking about here though... these are professional players. Well paid at that. If they don't like having the score run up, then they should play better.
Personally, I love seeing the juggernauts dominate a league. I miss the days of the dynasty in sport, the team people loved to hate. Salary caps have all but destroyed that factor in professional sport, save for MLB (yankees, red sox), who flout the 'caps' and happily pay the luxury taxes.www.chapeaunoirgolf.com
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11-05-2007 03:57 PM #12
I can sum this all up for you guys in a few paragraph.
For those of you who have played basketball or football you know there is an unwritten rule that you don't run up the score on teams. You pull your starters when you are killing someone or when you are getting killed. Same in basketball, you pull your starters and IF the scrubs continue to kill the team then so be it. I don't have a problem with teams running up the score IF there is no unsaid agreement between coaches not to. If there is, and you do it... then shame on you (kevin lowe). I know you BB is running up the scores. I've seen many ridic. comments about golfers letting up, hockey teams letting up, blah blah blah. These sports don't have such unwritten rules and if they did then they wouldn't do it either. HOckey?? get real. You are going to pull your whole first line and sit them after you are up 6-0 in the first period? You are going to make your other 3 lines work extra hard all game because you want to sit your starters for two periods? that would completely screw up you next game. Anyway, unless you have played one of these sports you won't understand how disrespectful something like running up the score is.
Anyway, please don't compare this to any other sport in which there is no unwritten rule. If you are going to compare this to a sport, please make sure its got some sort of similar agreement between players, gms or coaches
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11-05-2007 04:06 PM #13
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11-05-2007 04:27 PM #14
again UNWRITTEN rules and from what I hear you saying, it is almost tatamount to colusion on the outcome of a game and I bet you the odss makers in Vegas for one, wouldn't appreciate this agreement between players or coaches!
If I was a paying fan, I would be pissed if I saw the coach pull the good players because they were playing too well!!!. Its a competition for god sakes. A competition to see who plays the best on any given day.... if the team that is getting their butts kisck can't take it and want the other team to ease up on the pedal, then I say find another vocation cause your not made to play sports where anything can happen on any given day.
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11-07-2007 06:05 PM #15
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No you're not going to pull off your players in a hockey game if your team is winning by a large margin. But if you're talking unwritten rules, in hockey you're supposed to start dumping in the puck in when you get over the red line in a lopsided game. But like others have said, there's nothing wrong with running up the score. Some games it just goes well, so be it."A life lived in fear of the new and the untried is not a life lived to its fullest." M.Pare 10/09/08
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11-07-2007 06:17 PM #16"So many moving parts. Your whole body's moving, and this ball is not moving. It's standing still, laughing at you." [B] Tiger Woods[/B]
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11-05-2007 04:20 PM #17
I'll save you the trip....
he unwritten rules of sports --
Sports, like life, has rules of etiquette that are largely unwritten -- until now.
Baseball
1.0. Don't embarrass yourself, your teammates or your opponent.
1.1. Never show up an umpire on balls and strikes.
1.2. Never steal a base when leading by a bunch of runs. Rickey Henderson was the all-time offender, once taking second base with the Brewers' defense playing back and his team leading 12-5 in the seventh inning. "There are certain things you don't do," Milwaukee manager Davey Lopes said. "You don't stop competing; what you stop doing is manufacturing runs." 1.3. Never show up an opposing pitcher after hitting a home run off him. This is includes such no-nos as Ruben Sierra's funky-chicken dance step and Jeffrey Leonard's one flap down. Taking a long time to get around the bases is considered taboo. Scott Rolen of the Cardinals is one who does it the right way -- drop the bat and run around the bases.
1.4. Always run onto the field in support of your teammates or players after a fight breaks out. Indians manager Charlie Manuel once was suspended for two games for running onto the field from the clubhouse.Manuel had been ejected from the game but said he could not in good conscience stay in the clubhouse while his players were throwing haymakers.
1.45. Don't fraternize with opposing players.
1.45. (a) Players who don't run onto the field in support, or who fraternize with opposing players, shall be fined by a kangaroo court.
1.45. (b) Kangaroo courts shall exist in every major league clubhouse and operate by their own set of unwritten rules. See Jay Buhner, Mariners, 1988-2001.
2.0. Play the game the right way.
2.1. Never lay down a bunt to break up a no-hitter. Ben Davis, then with the Padres, did this against Curt Schilling, then with the Diamondbacks, in the eighth inning of a 2001 game. The single brought the tying run to the plate, but Davis was heavily criticized -- even his manhood was called into question. "Ben Davis is young and has a lot to learn," Arizona manager Bob Brenly said. "That was just uncalled for."
2.2. When breaking up a double play, always go in with a clean slide. Rangers catcher Pudge Rodriguez went out of his way to take out Cleveland shortstop Omar Vizquel in 1994; Vizquel suffered torn knee ligaments, spent seven weeks on the DL, and the Indians were fighting mad.
2.3. Always throw a fastball on a 3-0 count.
2.35. Never swing at a 3-0 pitch when your team has a comfortable lead.Vladimir Guerrero swung at a 3-0 offering in a 2001 game against the Mets with his team leading 10-0, and pitcher Turk Wendell promptly drilled him.
2.4. Never put the tying or go-ahead run on first base.
2.45. Unless you are playing the Giants and Barry Bonds represents the tying or go-ahead run.
2.5. Never make the first or third out of an inning at third base.
2.6 Always run out ground balls, even routine ones. Hustle in, hustle out. This rule does not apply to all; Ken Griffey Jr., for example, never read the unwritten rules during his stay with the Mariners.
2.7. Never interrupt a pitcher's focus by talking to him before a start.
2.75. Applicable to broadcasters and players alike, never mention "no-hitter" when a pitcher has one working.
2.8. Never steal another team's signs -- or at least never get caught doing so. It is particularly taboo for the batter to peek at the catcher's signs from the batter's box. Stealing signs from second base is considered gamesmanship but still requires retribution.
2.9. Pitchers must work inside to keep opposing batters honest but must never throw at a batter's head.
2.95. Pitchers must retaliate for egregious acts committed by opposing pitchers.
Basketball
1.0. Don't embarrass yourself, your teammates or your opponent.
1.1. Don't make a display out of padding your stats. In 2003, the Cavaliers' Ricky Davis shot at his own basket in the final seconds of a blowout victory over Utah so he could get his 10th rebound to complete a triple-double. DeShawn Stevenson of the Jazz hammered Davis with a cross block. "DeShawn fouled him, and I would have fouled him, too," Jazz coach Jerry Sloan said. "I would have knocked him on his ass." Said Cavs coach Keith Smart: "He has to live with what he did. Wherever he goes, people will remember it."
1.15. Don't make a career out of padding your stats. A veteran NBA scout swears Moses Malone missed hundreds, possibly thousands, of shots on purpose so he could get his own rebound and put the ball back in, thus getting points and rebounds on the same possession.
1.2. Don't dunk -- or attempt any shot -- in the final seconds when the opposing team has conceded defeat, nor hoist a 3-pointer with a 20-point lead in the final minute. Last season in Houston, the Sonics' Richie Frahm drove for a layup after the Rockets had conceded defeat. A Houston player fouled him, and Steve Francis and Mark Jackson screamed at Frahm as he was shooting free throws. Ray Allen met Frahm at the free-throw line and said, "Don't do that. Don't ever do that."
1.3. Don't use a full-court press when your lead is ridiculously large.
2.0. Play the game the right way.
2.1. Hit the open man, move the ball, fill the lanes, hustle back on defense, take a charge.
Football
1.0. Don't embarrass yourself, your teammates or your opponent.
1.1. Never call for an onside kick when leading by a lot of points. Rick Neuheisel, then a first-year coach at Colorado, did this against Oregon in the 1996 Cotton Bowl, starting a smoldering feud with Ducks coach Mike Bellotti. Leading 32-6 late in the game, the Buffs completed a long pass out of punt formation and went on to score a touchdown. "Those things tend to come around on you," Bellotti said.
1.15. Never call for a fake punt.
1.2. Always take a knee in the final moments when the game has been decided. This has as much to do with strategy as sportsmanship, thanksto a 1978 game known as the "Miracle of the Meadowlands." The Giants led the Eagles and were running out the clock when quarterback Joe Pisarcik opted to hand off rather than take a knee. He botched the exchange, the ball bounced to the turf, and cornerback Herman Edwards picked it up and went 26 yards for the winning touchdown.
1.3. Always remove your starters when you have a big lead in the fourth quarter. Particularly applicable in high school games, or when Georgia Tech plays Cumberland.
1.4. When you reach the end zone, pretend like you've been there before.
2.0. Play the game the right way.
2.1. Always establish the run.
2.2. Defense wins football games.
2.25. Football players make football plays. Not really a rule, but a timeworn Chuck Knox cliche.
2.3. Never take points off the scoreboard. Archaic. In a game at Indianapolis earlier this season, Ravens kicker Matt Stover made a 36-yard field goal, but Baltimore ended up accepting a defensive offside penalty and opted to go for it on 4th-and-4. Kyle Boller found Todd Heap in the end zone on the next play, and the Ravens were within 20-10 with 12:50 remaining. "On the road there are things you do that you wouldn't do at home," Ravens coach Brian Billick said of taking points off the board.
Golf
1.0. Don't do anything to embarrass yourself or your opponent.
1.1. Don't make yourself an easy target for the gallery. During the 2002 U.S. Open at Bethpage, Sergio Garcia gave a one-fingered salute to obnoxious fans counting his waggles at the 16th hole. The gallery was even more unruly after that. "Hey, Sergio, give me the finger," pleaded one fan at the first tee the day after the incident. Sourpuss Colin Montgomerie has been a favorite target of U.S. galleries as well.
2.0. Play the game the right way.
2.1. Never walk across a player's putting line. Teenager Michelle Wie repeatedly walked in Danielle Ammaccapanne line at the 2003 U.S. Open at Pumpkin Ridge, inciting a sharp rebuke from Ammaccapanne. "It was a good learning experience, I guess," Wie said. "Now I won't do that anymore."
2.2. Never putt the ball when your opponent has conceded the putt.
2.25. Don't make your opponent attempt a putt that you would want conceded.
2.3. Don't distract your opponent, at least not overtly. Seve Ballesteros of Spain was the all-time instigator, especially in Ryder Cup matches against the U.S. He had a habit of jingling change in his pocket when his opponent was making a shot, and moving at the point of his opponent's downswing. He was accused of coughing when his opponent was about to strike the ball. Said Tiger Woods of Seve's gamesmanship: "Guys will pull some things. Either you can't hear it or you don't see it, but guys are definitely doing it."
2.4. Always repair ball marks on the green, even if they were not made by your ball.
I just saved you a library fine
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11-05-2007 04:31 PM #18
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11-05-2007 04:32 PM #19
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11-05-2007 06:46 PM #20
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Fine, fine. If they are not unwritten, they are implied .
Why wouldn't you run up the score? Well, if you have for example, Tom Brady QBing and you're up by 20 points with 10 mins left in the game, why not pull him to keep him protected by benching him?
I'd rather protect my assets than look like a chump when Brady gets hurt. And you know what, it's bound to happen. Not everyone would be thrilled to play against the Pats and have them bury them by 25-30 points. Someone would take offense to it, and regardless of "against the rules", it will happen.
The opposite mindset is "why would you send your thug out with your team down 3 goals in the third period"? Generally, your thug is the least talented person on the team (see Wade Belak, Brian McGrattan) and is supposed to inspire your team by performing counter intuitive acts. If you're down 3 goals, don't you want your snipers out there more?
As a previous poster mentioned, if they can still end up scoring some with the 2nd stringers, so be it. You just look like a donkey when you do it. I'm indifferent to the Pats running up the score, but the question was asked why you shouldn't do it.
I'm a Chiefs fan, so don't think I'm trying to blow smoke up anyone's backside! lol. I have nothing to be proud of with them!
Fally
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11-05-2007 06:53 PM #21
I hear what you are saying Scott but hey, I am a fan who has paid good money to watch the best play..... I get pissed when i see grat players benched because they have performed their 'job' too well... so gee, lets punish the fans and make him sit the rest of the game out..... I don't like it.
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11-07-2007 05:41 AM #22
"I have just said that there is no unwritten rule about embarrassing the other team. I have said it a number of times. If you're a professional, and you get blown out, it's your own fault. You're embarrassing yourself. "
Here are just some of the unwritten rules about running up the score on teams in these sports. They have these in every sport... you still think they don't exist???
As for your #1 rule in sports....
"Go hard for the duration of the competition."
You should make t-shirts with that on them and sell them at the market on carp rd.
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11-07-2007 05:45 AM #23
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11-05-2007 04:32 PM #24
again, I only have a problem with it because its something you aren't supposed to do. Indio I'm sure you would hate to play with someone who did a few of the following...
1.0. Don't do anything to embarrass yourself or your opponent.
1.1. Don't make yourself an easy target for the gallery. During the 2002 U.S. Open at Bethpage, Sergio Garcia gave a one-fingered salute to obnoxious fans counting his waggles at the 16th hole. The gallery was even more unruly after that. "Hey, Sergio, give me the finger," pleaded one fan at the first tee the day after the incident. Sourpuss Colin Montgomerie has been a favorite target of U.S. galleries as well.
2.0. Play the game the right way.
2.1. Never walk across a player's putting line. Teenager Michelle Wie repeatedly walked in Danielle Ammaccapanne line at the 2003 U.S. Open at Pumpkin Ridge, inciting a sharp rebuke from Ammaccapanne. "It was a good learning experience, I guess," Wie said. "Now I won't do that anymore."
2.2. Never putt the ball when your opponent has conceded the putt.
2.25. Don't make your opponent attempt a putt that you would want conceded.
2.3. Don't distract your opponent, at least not overtly. Seve Ballesteros of Spain was the all-time instigator, especially in Ryder Cup matches against the U.S. He had a habit of jingling change in his pocket when his opponent was making a shot, and moving at the point of his opponent's downswing. He was accused of coughing when his opponent was about to strike the ball. Said Tiger Woods of Seve's gamesmanship: "Guys will pull some things. Either you can't hear it or you don't see it, but guys are definitely doing it."
2.4. Always repair ball marks on the green, even if they were not made by your ball.
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11-05-2007 06:15 PM #25
The only one that would bother me to any extent is 2.4..... but were getting off tipic here, I have asked why and all I get back is it is an unwritten rule.... thats not an answer I can get my mind around.... why is it so bad to run up a score against an opponent?
If it is that bad, then why hasn't it been made an agreed to written rule..... like amateur softball they have the 'mercy rule' have a mercy rule in the NFL or NBA if teams can stand being thumpped.... but don't give mt its just not gentleman like or fair..... give me facts, not emotions Silly.
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11-05-2007 06:22 PM #26
I haven't given you any emotion. I've just given you the unwritten rules of sports. If they said to hell with all this unwritten rules then I would have no problem with someone running up the score. My only problem with it is that all have agreed to follow these rules even though they aren't offical rules. I see nothing wrong with running up the score, they do it in the NCAA all the time. The NCAA coaches tell their players to score as many points as you can and prevent the other team from scoring... right upto the final whistle.
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11-05-2007 06:30 PM #27
So ok, you are saying it is because of the unwritten rule that you feel it is wrong? That makes no sense to me SillyWilly..... none at all. But I am obviously not going to get a response from anyone on why it is BAD to run up a score. I just can't think of any so I will leave it at that and believe as I do that it just depends on who is running up the score and who it is against that makes one take sides on whether it is bad or not
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11-05-2007 06:41 PM #28
the ONLY reason its bad to run up the score is because its goes agains the unwritten rule in those sports. I can't think of another reason why it would be bad. I love college football, I love seeing 70-3 games. When I started golfing I didn't think there was anything wrong with me walking on someones line cause as you know, I don't wear golf shoes with spikes. I didn't see the problem with making a little noise or moving when someone was putting or hitting because atheletes play in stadiums with 20,000 fans and no one tells them to be quiet. Putting even after the putt has been given to you ect. I do realize that because it is the accepted norm I also follow it but I would be more than happy to ingnore all of the above if it was OK to do so, but its not so I follow along like the good little follower that I am
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11-05-2007 09:23 PM #29
If you take away the injury risk component, here's the reason behind the 'unwritten rule'.
The theory is that the NFL is a brotherhood, both players and coaches. If a team is struggling, you're going to have a lot people with jobs on the line. Say the Pats go into Miami or St Louis and hang up 70 on one of those teams in their home stadium. People will be calling for blood, and the coaches and players who were on the hot seat job-wise, are now in the fire. You don't want to cost your brothers their jobs if you can avoid it. That's the main reason.
The other reason, which is sort of related, is that you just don't embarrass another team because sometime, somewhere you might find yourself on the other side. A "do unto others as you wish others would do unto to" type creed.
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11-05-2007 09:35 PM #30
But if a team is struggling, shouldn't jobs be on the line? These guys are making millions to perform. Don't get me wrong, I don,t know jack about NFL football. I just found it real surprising the level of passion people were displaying in talking about the unwritten rule.
Not sure I like the 'brootherhood' comment.... but at least someone has given me an explanation
Thanks!
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