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08-24-2006 10:16 PM #61
When I post the yardaged for my irons it is based on the assumption the 150 marker is accurate. I hit my 6 iron consistently 145-155, and based my yardages posted for all irons at the distance I can hit the middle of the green from the fairway. So if I am 20 yards past the 150 marker, and I hit a 4 iron to the middle of the green (ball mark) it is about 170-175 approx. That is how I measure, since I do not use an iron from the tee often, and it is +/- in accuracy from a par 3 more than from the fairway inside 200 yards, IMHO. I say that because on a par 3 the tees and pins can change, but a plate in the fairway only changes for the distance to the pin.
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08-24-2006 10:26 PM #62
Well you must suck then! I mean to have such short distances as me.
Just Kidding.
I don't feel bad. I will get even with those long par3s eventually. Lat time around, I laid up on a 190 par 3 . Yes, you heard me right. I laid up with a 5i. I was about 20 yards short but smack dab in the middle of the fairway. I then chipped and putted for a par. All and all less risky and not too shabby.
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08-24-2006 10:36 PM #63AndruGuestOriginally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
yardage books don't tell you from tee to every sprinkler head on the course and I've seen the pga tour ones. Example the one at Coghill where they play the Western Open. Just saw it last week actually. You get tee distance measurements to points bunkers. That's why caddies go out and scout courses for the pros.
Tour pros get about 20-30 yards of roll on those fariways. Given your numbers you're longer than the avg. tour pro. Since your 'avg carry' is 280. You're looking at a 290-295 avg driving distance. It's possible but unlikely.
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08-24-2006 10:45 PM #64Originally Posted by Hank Hill
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08-24-2006 10:46 PM #65AndruGuestOriginally Posted by zoic
Take a hole like the east meadows number 4 the long par 5. The stake in the middle says 150 to the middle. however. It's measured along the center of the fairway. so it goes along and makes a right turn where the red stake is.
If you actually measure the distance from the white stake to the green as a brid flies it's less than 150 I think it's actually about 135. that's what you have to know. any bend in the fairway no matter how small is added to the total yardage. except the sprinkler head. that is measured to the green in a straight line.
Timber Ridge number one hole is a beautiful example. I'm standing at the 200 yards stake and there's a sprinkler head almost next to it and it says something like 181. That's about 19 yards difference.
280 carry avg? 300 carry avg? come on man. I've seen 300 carry and the ball almost disappears into the sky much less see exactly where it lands.
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08-24-2006 10:52 PM #66Originally Posted by Andru
As for seeing where a ball lands, I dunno what you smoke before playing, or if your prescription for your glasses is balls, but I can see 300 yards away. I can see the tree beside the fairway that my ball lands near in reference to the fairway. How else would you see where your ball went? Are you saying you lose sight of the ball when it gets to a certain distance? You must take forever to play a round while you search the area your ball headed in.
Doesn't matter to me what you think of my numbers. I know they are accurate and how I play. I've used GPS carts and a sky caddie to mark distances when playing and if I play a par 5 and there is a tree 150 yards out, if my ball lands near the tree and rolls forward, I know within a few yards how long the carry was.
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08-24-2006 10:56 PM #67280 carry avg? 300 carry avg? come on man. I've seen 300 carry and the ball almost disappears into the sky much less see exactly where it lands.
Come to Ottawa next month and I'll show you what 280 yards carry looks like and pinpoint where the ball landed within 5 yards.
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08-24-2006 11:11 PM #68
I played with a guy the other week that was about 6' 2" and wirey strong. He pulled a 5 from around 220 to an elevated green and left it pin high on the left.
I think the importand thing is being able to get some bite on the ball, who cares what club you use, the lofts and shaft lengths are all different between sets these days anyhow.
Also I think a lot of people lose some iron distance comparitively by having the ball up forward in their stance. Still if it's anywhere near the divot from 185 chances are you are putting a decent stroke on it regardless of what club you use.
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08-25-2006 12:16 AM #69AndruGuestOriginally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
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08-25-2006 12:22 AM #70Originally Posted by Andru
BAHAHAHA!! I've been to the Canadian Open at Royal Montreal and to 3 PGA Tour events. Now you're telling me I don't know what 280 carry looks like? Get your head out of your ass man. Who do you think you are anyway? Trying to tell me how yardage books are made and now telling me I don't know something that infact have witnessed more than once.
Perhaps you should go tuck your tail between your legs and stop before you risk making a bigger fool of yourself. You have no idea who you're talking to or what people have seen in their lifetime. Next thing you know, you'll be telling us that we didn't eat eggs for breakfast because we don't know what real eggs look like.
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08-25-2006 12:25 AM #71
Oh, and the offer still stands for you to come witness 280 yards carry in Ottawa next month. Maybe I'll get John out too and we can both show you on the same hole. I guess two will be better than one anyway....Then we can help you look for your ball since you lose sight of it... HAHAHAHAH!!!
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08-25-2006 12:28 AM #72AndruGuestOriginally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
Here's the best example I can give you.
Maybe this will put things into perspective. How many times have any of your hit a shot into a flag. it's maybe 160 yards and right at the pin. From the fairway when the ball and the flag are in a direct line, the ball looks like it's 2 feet. Then you get up there and it's really about 12 feet. Viewing Angles, perception, optical illusions. These are all real concepts. Perhaps you spent too much time smoking when you should have been in school.
That's why judging distance from 300 yards to within 5 yards is ridiculous. the only true angle to see the landing area is either perpendicular to the flight path or from above ( IE an elevated tee )
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08-25-2006 12:32 AM #73Originally Posted by Andru
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08-25-2006 12:36 AM #74AndruGuestOriginally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
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08-25-2006 12:37 AM #75AndruGuestOriginally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
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08-25-2006 12:37 AM #76
AND, a pin is about an inch and a half wide, whereas a bunker you land beside will be say 10 to 20 feet in length. If you see your ball land beside a bunker on the fairway and roll by it, knowing how far the bunker is away from the tee(yardage book), you can tell how far you carried the ball before roll within 10 to 20 feet, which would be 3 to 6 yards.
I don't see why this is so unbelievable for you...
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08-25-2006 12:43 AM #77Originally Posted by Andru
Second, you tell me I don't know what a 280 yard drive(carry) looks like when I've been to the Canadian Open and several PGA events. Both instances you thought you were the know all, when essentially, you didn't really know who or what I know.
Now you're trying to say that because I have given you two examples to contradict your backup evidence for your comments, I resort to telling you how ridiculous you are because my ship is sinking? HAHAHAH!! You're definitely dreaming in technicolour.
Like I said, come golfing with a couple of us and we'll show you that we know what 280 yards looks like in the air and we can, infact, see where our ball lands on the fairway in reference to other landmarks like bunkers.
It seems to me you are infact the one who is trying to backup your statements because you watched the best in the world and looked at a yardage book.
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08-25-2006 12:53 AM #78AndruGuestOriginally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
I play a ton of golf with strangers. I walk on and tee it up. I've met one person of what must be 80 ppl to date who have under estimated their distance. And he was a Can Tour pro.
The rest were off by anywhere from 30-60 yards. People think I hit it 290. I don't know how far i carry my driver all i know is it's longer than 245 because I carry a hazard at my club on a regular basis. And it's between 235 and 245. but how much I really don't know or care all I know is I'm over it.
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08-25-2006 12:59 AM #79Originally Posted by Andru
Instead of going on about how you know and I don't. wouldn't it have been easier to post what you just did? I mean then we wouldn't have to go through all of this where you claim to have the upper hand because you've seen more than I so I must be wrong about it, and you must be right.
Anyway, this thread has brought out my irritated side and that's not really the way I am all the time. All I'm saying is that I'm quite qualified to judge the distance of my, and others drives.
The invitation is still there for a round.
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08-25-2006 01:02 AM #80
Well, I just had a pretty hefty reply, but my browser crashed and I lost it. Here's the Coles Notes version.
a - relax, there is no need to get so uppity over this.
b - I see no reason to disbelieve people
c - these are all estimations - nobody is claiming to hit it 293.6 yards every time. They are claiming 280-300 (etc)
d - People can hit the ball a long way. Lots of people. A tour pro hits it a long way and can putt, chip, shoot long irons....and so on. Just because someone claims they can hit it a long way does not mean we should disbelieve them simply because the pros can't all do it. Distance doesn't make a pro, so pros don't focus on it.
e - For every time a person thinks they got 290 carry and actually got 285, there will be a time where they think they got 285 and actually got 290 (assuming a genuine attempt to come up with accurate distances, which I will give everyone the benefit of the doubt on). So, this evens out.
f - do we really need to crucify people for attempting to give an accurate estimation of their distances? Why don't we attack those who claim 220-240 yard drives? These are surely just as inaccurate. I guess its okay though, because they don't hit it farther than you?
AND, last but not least....Sarcasm is the lowest form of humour when done POORLY. When done well, it is the pinaccle of comedy.
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08-25-2006 01:08 AM #81AndruGuestOriginally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
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08-25-2006 01:12 AM #82Originally Posted by Andru
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08-25-2006 01:15 AM #83AndruGuestOriginally Posted by jonf
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08-25-2006 01:17 AM #84AndruGuestOriginally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
I'll be in Ottawa in 2 weeks. In a month. I'll be in Washington telling Bush how to stop terrorism.
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08-25-2006 08:03 AM #85
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Originally Posted by Andru
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08-25-2006 09:07 AM #86
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Originally Posted by Daft_driver
I am longer than average driver (I won't say how long). One of the things that I found I was doing when I tried to "slow it down" for the irons was that I started to shift/slide/sway my hip back on the backswing which got me out of position. This would result in a scoop rather than downward strike, and for me this resulted in very short and high ball flight with the irons.
To combat this I made the conscious (sp?) effort to not move my hips (on the backswing), and and if I felt that I had shifted my hips I would stop the swing. This has given me my power back into my irons and especially my wedges.Back at it.
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08-25-2006 09:08 AM #87
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We'll give it one shot to get back on topic. If the personal attacks continue the thread will have to be closed. But let's see if we can't get back to talking about iron distances regardless of how long or short people hit them.
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08-25-2006 09:35 AM #88
Biting tongue..........
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08-25-2006 10:17 AM #89
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That pretty much sounds like what I am doing with my wedges. All too often it seems like I get under them too much and scoop.
Thanks I will try your tip out tomorrow.
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08-25-2006 11:31 AM #90
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These are my distances, I also have this information printed and laminated on the back of one of my business cards, keep it on my bag, helps with confidence knowing what club to hit.
3H
18.5°/215
4H
23°/195
4
24°/180
5
27°/170
6
30°/160
7
34°/150
8
38°/140
9
42°/130
PW
46°/115
GW
52°/100
SW
56°/90
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