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07-13-2006 08:29 AM #61
You don't need to seed by handicaps. The whole reason behind using them is to make all golfers equal on the first tee. Mike may be a 4, and Rezadue may be a 22. That's a complete mis-match if they're playing straight up, but the true differential is 18 strokes. Rezadue gets a stroke on every hole. That's the equalizer. Don't outsmart yourself Geoff. We have handicaps for a reason.
BTW - 80% handicaps is much more damaging to a high capper than a low one. Rezadue's cap now becomes 17.6, Mike's is 3.2. Rezadue loses almost 4 strokes. Now the tables are really tilted in Mike's favour. The only time that 80% should be used is when teams of 2 or more players are using a combined handicap.When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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07-13-2006 08:30 AM #62
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Counting HDCP and Equitable Stroke Control are seperate entities and will not affect the outcome of these matches together. ESC is for a player to use when playing a round that will be inputted for HDCP purposes. For instance, myself being below a 9 HDCP (the first cutoff point I believe) I am not allowed to count more than double bogey on any hole. It prevents me from trying to throw a round to raise my cap for competitive purposes that use net scores. Whereas yourself rez, at your current playing level you are not supposed to count anything higher than triple or quad, not sure of the other cutoff pts. We won't be using ESC during the matches.
HDCP strokes is just a method to allow golfers of different levels a chance to compete against one another under relatively even playing conditions. Now of course this all goes to hell if there is a sandbagger. HDCP strokes is just the difference between the two players. Say mpare and I were to play a match. He would have to give me a stroke on the two hardest holes on the course. After that, its heads up the rest of the way in.
Make sense?"A life lived in fear of the new and the untried is not a life lived to its fullest." M.Pare 10/09/08
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07-13-2006 08:33 AM #63
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Originally Posted by LobWedgeLast edited by Big Johnny69; 07-13-2006 at 08:58 AM.
"A life lived in fear of the new and the untried is not a life lived to its fullest." M.Pare 10/09/08
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07-13-2006 08:42 AM #64
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07-13-2006 08:45 AM #65
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Im in if im not too late? Probably take the last seed though
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07-13-2006 08:51 AM #66
Doh! Looks like I might be too late. I guess I've gotta start checking for new posts on this forum every few hours!
I'd also be interested in playing if there are any spots left or if somebody drops out. My index is sitting at 7.4 right now.
Thanks.
MJF
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07-13-2006 08:58 AM #67
For "real" higher handicaps the 80% rule could unfairly tilt the outcome in favour of lower handicaps. I'd rather assume that everyone is being honest and play on the basis of a full differential. Anyone who has used creative math to "calculate" their handicap will soon be outed. In short, I'd rather give the higher handicaps the strokes to which they are entitled. Besides, it will force the lower handicappers to play better.
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07-13-2006 09:00 AM #68
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Exactly my thoughts as well mpare. By no means was I suggesting anyone was being "creative", just offered up another method of dealing with the cap differentials. I am cool with giving every stroke entitled to as well. Its all in fun and the spirit of the game.
"A life lived in fear of the new and the untried is not a life lived to its fullest." M.Pare 10/09/08
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07-13-2006 09:01 AM #69
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07-13-2006 09:05 AM #70
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Originally Posted by dasnutz"A life lived in fear of the new and the untried is not a life lived to its fullest." M.Pare 10/09/08
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07-13-2006 09:15 AM #71
I’m interested. I don’t use this sites HDCP software but I have a valid RCGA HDCP. I can send you a print screen on request to prove my index.
As some of you know, I’m a ClubLink member and this would give may playing partner the opportunity to play one of the 4 local CL courses if they wish.
MikeStrive for perfection, but never expect it!
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07-13-2006 09:17 AM #72
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Originally Posted by mberube
Well rez, that makes four. What do you think? I don't think we have enough time to do a 32 man field. I'd say 20 is your max. Going to have to say no at some point. Just a matter now of how to proceed. I'll try to help the best I can. LMK."A life lived in fear of the new and the untried is not a life lived to its fullest." M.Pare 10/09/08
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07-13-2006 09:18 AM #73
Gentlemen,
Honestly speaking, I am not very comfortable setting rules for this even as I am a beginner golfer myself and would not like to impose my little knowledge on most of you who have had much more experience playing golf, setting up and playing in tournaments and/or are more well read.
But since I opened my mouth and said I would help organize, I can make some common sense suggestions and see how people like them. But please do keep in mind that this is a "For Fun" event only.
From the ideas people I have been throwing around I would like to suggest the following. But feel free to chime in if you don't agree and would like to see something different.
1) We split the DHCP percentage down the middle and go by 90% of the difference between the two players.
2) Providing we have some people in the west end and some in the east end, we split the brackets to Ottawa East and West. This ought to make arranging matches a bit easier. Can you indicate whether you are on Ottawa West, Center, East or South? I guess Gatineau can fall under Ottawa North?
3) We choose the matches for the brackets in random. That way there is no controversy over whether it is harder for a low handicapper to beat a higher one with lots of strokes given.
4) There will be a 2 week period in which each round of matches must be completed. This is so we can complete the matches in a reasonable time.
5) Play from the middle tees. Playing from the back can be pretty tough on some of the short hitters out there. And the long ballers can enjoy the chance at driving greens in 2 on par 5s, or driving some par 4 greens.
6) If we get more interest before we start we can expand.
Alternates list:
1) Maverick
2) MJF
3) Dasnuts
4) mberube
Updated list of players:
mpare 3.3
Geoff 5.4-5.6
hoolio 5.6
longballhitter 6.4
jvincent 9.3
Dan Kilbank 13.3
zoic 19.9
Rezadue 22.4
Wilster
Sharkshooter
jonf
jeffc
big mac
noback
Farzin
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07-13-2006 09:22 AM #74
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Rez, just heading into a training course at work for a few hours. I'll pm you when I'm done. I will help any way I can. We'll come up with a format/rules/brackets etc. In the meantime, if you could pm all interested and get them to give you an index. And if anyone says "Well my last 4 or 5 rounds I've shot...." don't listen to them.
"A life lived in fear of the new and the untried is not a life lived to its fullest." M.Pare 10/09/08
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07-13-2006 09:29 AM #75Originally Posted by Geoff Johnston
Kidding aside, I didn’t read the other posts so I was not aware that you had 16 players listed already. Count me in if you decide to go to a 32-man competition.
I’m in Toronto next week so if that causes a problem, well count me out.
I’m a 5.6 at the moment.
Mike
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07-13-2006 09:33 AM #76
rezadue,
Some comments on your suggestions.
1. For this don't forget that we should be using "course handicaps". When you are allocating strokes, an index of 9.3 translates to an integer number for the particular course/tee you are playing. I'm fine with the 90% adjustment but correct procedure for this would be to take your index, multiply by 0.9, then calculate the course handicaps for the match in question to determine strokes.
2. I'm East I guess but can play pretty much anywhere not too far away.
3/4/5. Fine by me.
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07-13-2006 09:39 AM #77Originally Posted by mberube
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07-13-2006 10:04 AM #78
[QUOTE=rezadue]
5) Play from the middle tees. Playing from the back can be pretty tough on some of the short hitters out there. And the long ballers can enjoy the chance at driving greens in 2 on par 5s, or driving some par 4 greens.
Rezadue,
Although it probably would be simpler if both players played from the same set of tees, it is possible for the two players to play from different sets of tees in a handicapped match play round.
Here are a couple of links with the details if you are interested:
http://golf.about.com/cs/handicappin...q_difftees.htm
http://www.usga.org/playing/handicap...rent_tees.html
MJF
PS: I'm in the West end.
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07-13-2006 10:06 AM #79Originally Posted by jvincent
If you want to play, dude, just ask.Strive for perfection, but never expect it!
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07-13-2006 10:11 AM #80
mberube - we didn't even make the list. I say we do a home and home, I am out of Rideauview.
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07-13-2006 10:14 AM #81
I'm in the Muskokas on the 22nd-23rd-24th but otherwise available to play after work on weekdays or anytime on weekends.
It doesn't matter for me if you categorize me as East-West-North-South. As long as it's within 30 mins of Ottawa I'm fine with it.Last edited by LBH; 07-13-2006 at 10:26 AM.
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07-13-2006 10:15 AM #82
Since 4 more are interested, we can certainly add it to 20 people. Just gotta talk to Geoff and figure out how.
RezaProud member of the 2009 Ryder Cup winning team
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07-13-2006 10:15 AM #83
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I stick to a 7.2 HDCI. Although I have no proof. At the mean time it takes only one participant to express his concern and I understandably and respectfully offer my withdrawal.
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07-13-2006 10:15 AM #84Originally Posted by dasnutz
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07-13-2006 10:16 AM #85Originally Posted by rezadue
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07-13-2006 10:18 AM #86
Top 4 from the 1st round or top 4 HDCP'ers?
Originally Posted by LongBallHitterProud member of the 2009 Ryder Cup winning team
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07-13-2006 10:20 AM #87Originally Posted by Geoff JohnstonWhen applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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07-13-2006 10:21 AM #88
I want to play Hautes Plaines or other CL courses anytime.
The thing is maybe we should give an option for a player to refuse a course if they feel it is too much for them. I just want to make sure we do not make it so high handicappers have to deal with extreme "target golf" conditions. This can be discouraging when you are playing a match, plus loosing balls left right and center because the course is foreign and so tough to play 1st time.
I am in the west end, but I will play ALMOST anywhere.[COLOR=DarkRed]"Friends don't let friends use Internet Explorer"
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07-13-2006 10:24 AM #89Originally Posted by rezadue
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07-13-2006 10:27 AM #90
Updated list:
mpare 3.3 - Ottawa West
Geoff(Geoff) 5.4-5.6 - Ottawa West
hoolio 5.6
mberube(Mike) 5.6 - Ottawa North
Dasnuts 6.0
Farzin(Farzin) 6.1
longballhitter 6.4 - Open
MJF 7.4 - West End
jvincent 9.3
jeffc 12.8
Dan Kilbank(Dan) 13.3
jonf(Jon) 18.5
zoic(Kevin) 19.9
Rezadue(Reza) 22.4 - Ottawa West
Maverick 26.6 - Ottawa North
Wilster(Wil)
Sharkshooter
big mac
noback
BidrieMan
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Roland(Trevor)Last edited by Big Johnny69; 07-13-2006 at 11:18 AM.
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