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07-11-2006 02:33 PM #1
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Weird ball position
Yesterday, I shot my ball and kind of sliced it. It landed on the top of the cart shed. As we went to find the ball, we could not see it on the ground beside the building, so I walked a few feets back on top of a small hill and I could see my ball in the drain surounding the roof. There was no OB sticks and the ball was not theorically lost. Obviously, I could not climb on the roof to play it (no matter how nice that would of been). I just took a hazard penalty and dropped it 2 club lenghts.
Did I have another option? Unplayble lie?
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07-11-2006 02:44 PM #2
How can you be sure that was your ball? Could you see your mark on it from that far away?
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07-11-2006 02:50 PM #3
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I was not that far, the roof was low and the "hill" is right next to the building. I could clearly see it was my titleist with the logo and all.
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07-11-2006 02:57 PM #4
It comes down to "reasonable evidence" Lots of people play Titleists.
Lost ball. Back to where you hit from.
If there were no stakes why would you treat it as a hazard? I have never heard of a lateral shed hazard.
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07-11-2006 03:01 PM #5
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Why? Because we had no clue what to do. We are sort of new at golfing by the rules and are still learning. Unfortunately, I don't carry a rulebook with me.
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07-11-2006 03:13 PM #6
See Rule 24-2, Immovable Obstruction, and get yourself a rulebook.
When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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07-11-2006 03:16 PM #7
No offense intended. I'm just trying to lay out the thinking process for you.
1) you can't positively identify your ball so it is considered lost.
2) it's not a hazard, so it cannot be treated as one.
3) back to "the ball is lost"... the rule is to replay the shot. - that may be impractical and as beginners I don't really endorse returning to the tee for every lost ball, but that is the rule.
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07-11-2006 03:18 PM #8
Also, get a sharpie and mark your balls for identification.
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07-11-2006 03:37 PM #9
Actually, minor boo boo.
Dan, it's Rule 24-3. The ball would be lost in the immovable obstruction. He can take relief as prescribed in Rule 24-2b.When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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07-11-2006 03:45 PM #10As we went to find the ball, we could not see it on the ground beside the building, so I walked a few feets back on top of a small hill and I could see my ball in the drain surounding the roof.
So does that mean that any Strata on the course that I cannot reach to identify must be my ball??? I think not.
It is a question of fact whether a ball lost after having been struck toward an obstruction is lost in the obstruction. In order to treat the ball as lost in the obstruction, there must be reasonable evidence to that effect. In the absence of such evidence, the ball must be treated as a lost ball and Rule 27 applies.
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07-11-2006 03:54 PM #11
Yeah, but Maverick said "It landed on the top of the cart shed" and "I could clearly see it was my titleist with the logo and all". If that's not reasonable evidence, I don't know what is. If he says that it's absolutely his ball, that's good enough for me, and for the rules.
When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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07-11-2006 04:03 PM #12
Hehehe OK.
I don't see it quite that way but it's all just for the sake of discussion.
I am unclear as to why they'd look around the building if they were so sure it was on the roof in the first place, but that's just me
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07-11-2006 04:14 PM #13Originally Posted by Dan KilbankWhen applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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07-11-2006 09:07 PM #14
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07-11-2006 09:11 PM #15
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07-11-2006 10:06 PM #16Originally Posted by Gary HillWhen applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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07-11-2006 11:26 PM #17
While I would gladly agree it seems obvious it was that players ball, but I have to honestly say I can see how it could not be also. Last Friday I was playing Irish Hills, and looking for my ball in the rough (clover), I found 2 Titliest golf balls just inches apart. The odds of that on a roof seem no more astronomical really, since it is still on the golf course, and not in the fairway.
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07-12-2006 02:06 AM #18Originally Posted by LobWedge
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07-12-2006 03:09 AM #19
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Originally Posted by Gary Hill
I was not that far, the roof was low and the "hill" is right next to the building. I could clearly see it was my titleist with the logo and all.
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07-12-2006 03:12 AM #20
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07-12-2006 04:13 AM #21
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Perhaps Maverick will explain how he knew it was 'my titleist'
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07-12-2006 08:40 AM #22
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Originally Posted by Gary Hill"A life lived in fear of the new and the untried is not a life lived to its fullest." M.Pare 10/09/08
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07-12-2006 09:13 AM #23
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I think poor Maverick has left the building.
My opinions are my own, I do not follow others.
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07-12-2006 10:11 AM #24Originally Posted by Geoff JohnstonWhen applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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07-12-2006 10:47 AM #25
Funny thing is regarding people and the identification of their golf ball. I play as a single all the time and it's funny how often I help them look for lost ball, find one, call out asking what type they play and answer is.......
...."Top Flite!".
Then when I mention that there is probably 5000 different TF models, next reply is usually "well what is it?" Followed by "Yeah, thats mine!"
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07-12-2006 12:01 PM #26
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Our club was pushing members to put an identification mark on their balls. Notices were posted all over the place. The pro shop had a rush on - he then said nobody mentioned it to me, I haven't been able to get any indelible markers for over a month, next delivery another month.
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07-12-2006 12:16 PM #27Originally Posted by Geoff Johnston
Am I to understand the marking on the ball must be something different than what it was when it came out of the sleeve ?
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07-12-2006 01:40 PM #28
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Originally Posted by Shivas Irons
If two players had been to a corporate day and come back with a sleeve of logoed balls each, they could not safely use them when playing together without an additional mark. They would be pefectly legal but if after playing perfect drives just over the rise to the centre of the fairway, they found the two balls 6" apart, they have both lost their ball unless something is different.
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07-12-2006 01:47 PM #29Originally Posted by AAA
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