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05-31-2006 12:44 PM #31Originally Posted by Andru
As for Tiger's consistancy.....Tiger himself mentions the weakness of his game is being consistant from one tournament to the next. In fact, I watched an interview with Tiger a couple months ago before the Masters and that is exactly what he said. He said and I quote..."I just can't put four good rounds together..." He's also pretty much the best player I've seen get himself out of trouble. Want to know why? BECAUSE HE'S ALWAYS IN IT! HAHA!! The guy is all over the place on the golf course. I followed him for all 18 holes for all four rounds and it was trouble shots A LOT of the tournament. Mind you, since then, he's been a lot better, but you never used to see Jack hitting out of the trees that many times a tournament. Besides, is consistancy measured on how many wins you have, or how consistant of a golfer you are in general? Take tennis for example because it's another one man sport. A tennis player might win 26% of the tournaments he's entered, but commit a ton of unforced errors. Is he a consitant tennis player? Just because he won, doesn't mean he's consistant.
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05-31-2006 12:45 PM #32AndruGuestOriginally Posted by fundonny
TW played butterknives when he first came out on Tour. He was one of the last to go to graphite shafts? Until recently Tiger had not embraced the technology bandwagon.
The the what's in the bag section on TGC. Check out his early wins.
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05-31-2006 12:59 PM #33AndruGuestOriginally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
You're talking about semantics here. There are several ways to measure consistency. You can measure every part of your game from driving to putting. As a PGA tour member the only way to measure consistency, is your game as a WHOLE. That's all that matters. The PGA doesn't hand out cheques if you lead the tournemant in fairways hit. You get paid by how well you score compared to your competitors.
There are several things you need to play good golf, Driving, ball striking, scrambling, putting. Some days you have all 4 going (rare), other days you only have a few.
Tiger consistently has more of his game going than anyone else. That's why he's only missed 3 cuts in his professional career. Even though he doesn't have his Driver going. He still has the other 3 working. That's why he can still score and place higher than the majority of the players he plays against.
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05-31-2006 01:29 PM #34Originally Posted by Andru
http://www.tigerwoods.com/events/tig...chType=results
Then this one...
http://www.tigerwoods.com/events/tig...e=6269&sid=348
In my mind, those finishes speak for themself.
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05-31-2006 02:46 PM #35AndruGuestOriginally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
You think 13 top 10's in 21 events and 4 top 10's in 7 events is an example of inconsistent play? No offence man but what are you smoking?
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05-31-2006 03:15 PM #36Originally Posted by Andru
Win, 23rd, 53rd, Win, Missed Cut, then goes on a more consistant streak, then 40th, then Win, misses Cut.
Are you telling me that is consistant golf? No offence to you my friend, but what is so consistant about that golfing?
When someone wins a tournament then misses a cut 10 days later, that's pretty inconsistant in my books. He was up and down all year except for the stretch between The Memorial and the NEC Invitational.
This year, he is far more consistant with his placings, but he's still 148th in driving accuracy, 166th in putts per round, and 102nd in scrambling. His scoring average is 4th mind you, which is impressive given those stats.
Now, I'm totally unbiased in my comments because I happen to like the guy because he's interesting to watch. That being said, if I were some statistition who didn't watch golf, or play golf, I'd have a look at those finishes for last year and say the guy wasn't playing consistant golf. If I looked at them this year, I'd say, yeah, he's consistantly finishing in this range so he's more consistant.
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05-31-2006 03:41 PM #37Originally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
You know who's consistent this year? Todd Hamilton. He's missed the cut in 12 of 14 events in 2006. Consistency rocks!
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05-31-2006 03:46 PM #38AndruGuestOriginally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
This is tournament golf. He's not going to finish top 10 everytime. it's not like a sprinter where he runs the same distance every race.
They're playing different tournaments and different fields. The variables are different. You can only apply the standards set for that particular sport.
Is he mathematically consistent? No. But in terms of professional touring golf. If you finish in the top 10 half the time you play. There isn't a person (other than you) that wouldn't call a pga tour player consistent.
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05-31-2006 03:59 PM #39"Richard"Guest
You are basing tigers consit. on 5 rounds of golf over a decade long career?
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05-31-2006 04:31 PM #40There isn't a person (other than you) that wouldn't call a pga tour player consistent.
Anyway, there are plenty of people, golf professionals, and analysts that will agree with me. It doesn't bother me that you don't.
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05-31-2006 04:33 PM #41Originally Posted by thotho
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05-31-2006 05:17 PM #42"Richard"Guest
I don't know man, the longest cuts made streak seems pretty consistent to me. To be #1 for 393 weeks is pretty consistent as well.
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05-31-2006 05:21 PM #43Originally Posted by thotho
Anyway, I have a feeling it's a matter of opinion rather than something we can come to a decision on. Many people say he is inconsistant, many say he is. I guess we can agree to disagree.
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05-31-2006 05:27 PM #44"Richard"Guest
of couse but its always good to try to see the other persons point of view. Obviously based on stats right now you would have to say jack is the best golfer ever. More wins, more second place finnishes and more majors but the reason I say you can't use stats is because tiger has played so little golf compred to jack but is already 1/2. The only thing tiger wont reach is jacks 2nd place finishes, i think we can all agree on that.
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05-31-2006 05:29 PM #45Originally Posted by thotho
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05-31-2006 05:43 PM #46"Richard"Guest
and that is where we will agree to disagree! All I can say is that if I had started golf at the same age tiger did.. I would already have more majors than jack
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05-31-2006 05:48 PM #47Originally Posted by thotho
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05-31-2006 11:05 PM #48Originally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
PGA Tour Victories - 48
2nd place finishes - 19
Wordwide victories (including PGA Tour)- 67
Masters - 4
PGA Championships -2
US Open - 2
British Open - 2
US Amateur - 3
According to an interview he gave once, he has 19 holes in one
Not bad considering Tiger is only 30 years old.
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06-01-2006 09:23 AM #49AndruGuestOriginally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
The world golf rankings is a perfect way to to measure consistency. it's based on WR points earned per tournament played. The higher you finish in your starts the higher your ranking. Tiger has been number 1 and Norman for the same reason. Everytime they teed it up they consistently finished high. The did so more than anyone they were competing against at the time.
Example VJ Singh has more World Ranking points overall than Phil Mickelson. But VJ plays more events. Yes his total is higher but his performance PER start is not as efficient.
if you want to measure consistent play here's the test. You have 100 bucks to put on Tiger. you have 2 choices. He'll finish in the top 10 or he'll miss the cut. Which are you taking? Even money on both. The choice is easy isn't it?
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06-01-2006 09:51 AM #50Originally Posted by Andru
As for your $100 wager example. It makes no sense. Consistancy is not measured whether he makes the cut or finishes top 10. You do know that the cut could be 50 or more golfers don't you? If the guy wins a tournament, then the next one he plays he finishes 48th, that's inconsistant. I don't know if you noticed the stats or not, but there are more inconsistancies than the mans driving.
Like I said before, I don't really give a rats ass what you think or if you think I'm wrong, because people who actually get paid to analyze the sport, and one of the world's all-time best golfers have agreed with each other. Your opinion is just that, an opinion.
If you want to use the golf rankings and say that Norman is second best ever in the PGA, and Tiger is number one, then that's up to you. Your world rankings are like the BCCS. Players in the rankings move up even if they don't play a tournment sometimes, just because the guy above them didn't place well. How does that make sense? It's not completely accurate, and that's why we can take them for what they are. I'll have my opinion, you can have yours. I might think you're a complete idiot, others might like you. Get my point?
Agree to disagree.
Mods, please close this thread because it's going nowhere now. I think there have been enough 'OPINIONS' posted here.
Thanks
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06-01-2006 11:05 AM #51AndruGuestOriginally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
Just and FYI the Hypothetical bet demonstrates ones ability to predict the outcome of an event. Like Tiger entering a tournament. Given the choice most smart people would take Tiger finishing in the top 10. Why? Because he does it so often. He's CONSISTENT in his finishes. If you predict he's going to finish in the top 10 you'll be right half the time. Compared to a robot welding steel no he's not consistent. Compared to the rest of the professional golf world, the real world. He's consistent.Last edited by Andru; 06-01-2006 at 11:23 AM.
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06-01-2006 11:23 AM #52AndruGuest
EdmontonGolfer
I just realized we're talking about 2 totally different things that's why we're miles apart. We're talking about consistency yes, but from 2 totally different angles.
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06-01-2006 02:05 PM #53
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Originally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
I don't think this is true. Anyways Tiger has done it 6 times before he even turned 30.
Here is a link.
http://golf.about.com/cs/historyofgo...rdontrophy.htm
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06-01-2006 02:24 PM #54Originally Posted by B Nation
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06-01-2006 02:39 PM #55
Just thought I'd add something since Vijay was mentioned. He's number one in top ten finishes this year with 7 out of 12 tournaments. Mickelson is third with 6 out of 11, and Tiger is ninth with 4 out of 7.
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06-01-2006 03:20 PM #56"Richard"Guest
Hello, this is a bit mis leading since those rankings are based on TOTAL top 10 finnishes.
7/12 - 58.3% (great but no wins)
4/7 - 57.1% (2 wins)
6/11 - 54.5% (2 wins)
Originally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
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06-01-2006 03:27 PM #57
Anyone else noticing that people are consistently spelling consistent consistant when the mean to spell consistent? Constantly! lol...
www.chapeaunoirgolf.com
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06-01-2006 03:46 PM #58AndruGuestOriginally Posted by 3Jack
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06-01-2006 03:49 PM #59AndruGuestOriginally Posted by EdmontonGolfer
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06-01-2006 03:53 PM #60"Richard"Guest
why close my thread EG? no one is getting out of hand, just good old fun debating!
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