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04-28-2006 07:34 AM #1
Should Bonds Be Removed From The MLB Record Book
The guy won't live another 10 years. Should he have his name erased from the record book?
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04-28-2006 07:55 AM #2
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Originally Posted by fundonny
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04-28-2006 08:02 AM #3
I can't see why he should be removed from the record book, unless you can prove that Aaron and Ruth never took anything that was illegal. I know that's not the case because Ruth was drinking during the period of prohibition, so his record should be removed as well because he was breaking the law while setting his record i guess. I think its brutal how Bonds might break the records while possibly on roids, but nobody can prove that Aaron and Ruth weren't 100% clean for their careers, just because the obviously never tested for anything.
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04-28-2006 08:17 AM #4
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I say no. Last time I checked steroids allowed you to train longer so you get stronger. If he did use them they don't improve your hand eye co-ordination. And if anyone recalls, even in the 90s Bonds had some of the best hand eye co-ordination around. Who cares how strong he is, if he can't hit the ball all the stats are irrelevant. I could take steroids to make me stronger, but if I can't hit the golf ball straight, what good would it do me. And why has McGwire dropped off the radar in this debate?
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04-28-2006 08:34 AM #5
Because he retired and he's not going to break any of the big records I guess. He's out of baseball now, concentrating on golf. Plus Mark was an extremely charismatic guy which deflected a lot of the roid talk. Bonds is just a pure arse, one of the worst human being to play pro sports.
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04-28-2006 08:40 AM #6
Personally, I'd like to see MLB encourage him to retire before he catches Hank Aaron on the "bomb list". Maybe he should take up LongDriving?
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04-28-2006 08:41 AM #7Originally Posted by fundonny
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04-28-2006 08:57 AM #8
MLB never made steroid use illegal until the last couple of years, so even if he did use steroids it's only very recently that they were against the rules. His records should count and MLB and the players union should be ashamed. Besides, baseball has always been rife with amphetamine abuse. Many players in the past 50 years are guilty of using some sort of performance enhancing drug.
And Geoff, steroids don't just make you stronger, they cut recovery time and they help you swing the bat quicker. Players on steroids can wait on a pitch a fraction of a second longer, and then move the bat through the zone quicker. Steroids do all sorts of things that have helped Bonds and MANY other baseball players improve their playing abilities. Why would they take them if this was not the case?
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04-28-2006 09:15 AM #9Originally Posted by Geoff JohnstonWhen applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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04-28-2006 09:31 AM #10
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I should have added the natural talent portion to my reply. My hand eye co-ordination was meant to include the talent part as well. And I understand the turning the pop flys into homeruns but come on. How many of Bonds' HRs were actually clearing the fences by inches. Most of this guys blasts were towering shots into the Bay in SF. Very rarely did you see Bonds take off from home plate because he wasn't sure if the ball was gone. He'd usually start off in his strut because he knew the ball was long gone. Maybe a by product of the roids, maybe not, but if you believe your "talent of hitting the ball sweet the majority of the time" then you have to consider and accept the possibilities of him breaking the record. And I know Bonds' reputation and attitude doesn't do him any favours, which no doubt hurts him in the public perception of him. Wonder what the reaction would be if he was a little more charismatic like a McGwire or someone like that.
I respect everyone's opinion, and this is mine. Maybe I'm just too much in awe of anyone being able to step into a batter's box and hit a ball coming at you in excess of 90 MPH from 60 something feet away. Regardless of what you are taking, it is still one of the most impressive talents in sports in my eyes."A life lived in fear of the new and the untried is not a life lived to its fullest." M.Pare 10/09/08
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04-28-2006 11:11 AM #11
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Two things are very ironic in the Bonds/home run situation...#1, Bonds has never been proven to have done anything wrong. Now I KNOW the preponderance of evidence is definitely against him, but wow, shouldn't he be innocent until proven guilty (and don't get me started about the Duke lacrosse players!)? One of my pet peeves, I'm sorry. I guess it is INCOMPREHENSIBLE that someone can work hard and get ripped without steroids. There are plenty of other supplements to help someone with their body.
#2, I hate it that so many people just absolutely HATE Bonds without even knowing him. He gets judged by everyone solely by how he deals with the media...well to be honest, if I got asked the same inane questions every day, then I'd get a little fried too. I actually enjoy when athletes or movie stars refuse to answer questions and the reporters get "holier than thou" and act as though they have this divine right to know everything the guy is thinking. Getting back to baseball, everyone LOVED McGwire when he was breaking records and he turned out to be a punk. Remember the Congressional hearings, what an idiot! I was in Vegas last year, and we were asking our blackjack dealer what celebrities she had dealt for, who were punks, and who were really nice, etc. She mentioned McGwire was a real punk, Michael Jordan was crude and offensive (no surprise, but doesn't mean he's a terrible person)...she said the nicest people she ever dealt for were Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta-Jones.
Oops never answered the question...until Bonds tests positive, no records should be erased.
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04-28-2006 11:47 AM #12
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I'm with you sensfan63. I actually like Bonds. Always have. But agree that because of the way he handles the media he is getting grilled. Interesting comments about McGwire and Jordan though. Not really surprised by the Douglas/ Zeta-Jones. They seem genuine and friendly in TV interviews at least.
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04-28-2006 12:40 PM #13AndruGuestOriginally Posted by fundonny
This has to do with politics. Not the good of Baseball.
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04-28-2006 01:07 PM #14
INHO.....
Innocent until proven quilty and even then, his records stand cause it would be wrong to apply the new rules retroactively. If he is on roids, suspend for life, if he is not, hate the man if you want but give him his due respectProud member of the 2009 OG/TGN Ryder Cup Champions
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04-28-2006 01:09 PM #15
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Originally Posted by Andru
Also, from what I've read, Ruth was pretty much a screwup...drunk all the time, hired prostitites, etc. Made Bill Clinton look like the poster child for fidelity!
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04-28-2006 01:11 PM #16AndruGuestOriginally Posted by sensfan63
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04-28-2006 01:27 PM #17
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Originally Posted by Andru
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04-28-2006 01:39 PM #18AndruGuestOriginally Posted by sensfan63
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04-28-2006 02:10 PM #19
Regardless, I don't think anyone will look back at Bonds' life and smile. There's no question he took roids, just look at the melon on him. It's sad because he would have been a sure hall of famer without the juice.
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04-28-2006 03:23 PM #20Originally Posted by Andru
I don't care what colour you are, idiocy, greed, and dishonesty are colourless.When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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04-28-2006 03:26 PM #21"Richard"Guest
NOpe, he shouldn't. When he was on roids it wasn't banned by the league. So... no.
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04-28-2006 03:36 PM #22"Richard"Guest
Sensfan, to tell you the truth I kind of enjoy how he is getting booed everywhere. Not because I hate him or don't like him... I don't know him. I mean, garry shefield is a hateable guy but bonds isn't. I just enjoy watching the drama unfold. If he doesn't break the record this year he might retire because he can't go through being booed for another year. I mean, fans throwing needles onto the field... its awesome!
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04-29-2006 01:39 AM #23
he may have been able to hit homers without steroids, but not nearly at the same pace as he has been since that mysterious winter when his head became the size of a beach ball. The man owes much of his fame and success to performance enhancing drugs - I cannot see how anyone can think his recors should stand. Babe Ruth drank during the prohibition - that's illegal, not performance enhancing. We're not talking about taking Bonds out because he did something illegal (a pro athlete? break the law? well I never..) we're talking about taking him out because he violated the principles of fair play that are necessary for sport to be anything but a mockery.
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04-29-2006 09:37 AM #24
Heck, Ruth drinking made his stats even more impressive. How well would you hit if you saw two baseballs coming at you at 90mph each time? I have a hard time golfing hung over!
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