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09-26-2005 03:30 PM #1
What's with Hasek??!!
I could not believe it, i was at the game last nite, and when the national anthem came on, he still had his bucket on. I could not believe it, he was the only player who had not taken his helmet off. It was the most disrespectful thing i have ever seen, its not like the game was in the States!! This is the country that he plays in, regardless of where he was born!!
He is making it really hard to like him, WOW!!!!
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09-26-2005 03:53 PM #2
Maybe he was just having a bad hair day!
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09-26-2005 04:06 PM #3
If that's the most disrespectful thing you've ever seen, then you must lead a pretty sheltered existence.
So what? It's probably part of his pre-game ritual. I'm as Canadian as they come and I don't find it disrespectful. It's not like he's standing at centre ice p*ssing in the team logo, or burning the flag. Playing the national anthem prior to professional sporting events is an outdated notion anyway. With so many players coming from countries other than Canada, it doesn't make sense. Playing anthems at the Olympics and other world events is a different story, because you are there representing your country.
If my team had a goalie that got psyched up by doing snow angels in the crease before the game, and it greatly increased our chances of winning the cup, I'd be down there doing snow angels with him.When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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09-26-2005 04:18 PM #4Originally Posted by davevandyk
Watch the bench during any of the anthems. You have Canadian guys picking their noses, adjusting equipment, spitting... Don't blow it out of proportion.
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09-26-2005 07:06 PM #5
I've got to agree with both of the above posts, especially the point about how many countries are represented. Domenik Hasek is not Canadian, it's his choice as far as I'm concerned.
The one thing I don't understand in what was originally said is that you're finding it tough to like the guy.
I personally can't think of anything he has done to not like him. He's worked his tail off so far and is playing excellent, he's been friendly to all and the whole team supports him.
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09-26-2005 07:25 PM #6Originally Posted by wopstergolf
I'm convinced that Hasek is one of the more likeable personalities in pro sports, but of course, I get to follow him on Czech news sites and stuff too, where he's more candid about life in the NHL....
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09-26-2005 07:53 PM #7AndruGuestOriginally Posted by broken27
Welcome back......
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09-26-2005 08:05 PM #8
He could be a total d*** and if he wins no one will care at all, he'll be a hero here. As if this town hasn't been crying for a big game goalie for 5 years now. But it doesn't seem as if he's a d*** anyway.
Who cares if he doesn't take his helmet off for an anthem at a sporting event? Why is that disrespectful? What's a hat got to do with respect? That's an American thing anyway, not Canadian. Taking the hat off is their tradition, I'm not bashing it, it's just not ours. I'd love it if we didn't have the anthems played, what do they have to do with professional sports?
On a seperate note, looks like the fans are going to be tough to win back after the lockout, eh? 19,000+ for an exhibition game. Will be interesting to see the traditional vs non-traditional market attendence trends as the season progresses.
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09-26-2005 08:09 PM #9
I don't know, i also thing it is outdated, but what does that have to do with anything. When i visited Europe, i stood up for everytime i heard any of their anthems, no matter if it was Romania or Italy. It just is a sign of respect to take off your hat. Ya he isn't Canadian, but he is living in Canada, working in Canada!! I think this is just a Canadian feeling. If this happened in USA Hasek's face would be plastered all over ESPN!!
Just my take, regardless of whether they should still play the anthem or not, its our anthem, it doesn't take a lot of energy to show respect, and personally i don't know many people that get "jacked" up over not respecting another countries anthem!!
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09-26-2005 08:17 PM #10
Great to see so much pride in our country and traditions. I have been at events where people haven't taken off there hats during national athems and I have told them to take their F** hat off. That athem and the flag it represents means more then just a starting point to a stupid hockey game. You are taking you hat off to show respect for your country, your fellow countrymen and the men/women who have given there lives to give you the freedom to even question crap like this. I think Hasek and all players, fans and who ever should take off the hats/helmets, stop picking their noses, stop spitting and maybe even sing along if its your athem. If not show some respect and stand there quietly. They may not play every athem, they don't have all day, but it is because of tradition of the league. I am sure they don't play the Canadian athem in Europe as a sign of respect for giving them the game. The Olympics are good for that. If you don't like the athems beng played at an NHL game, them stay home or if your a player, move back home. Don't disrespect my country because I wouldn't not disrespect yours.
Frankly it makes me sick to my stomach to hear Canadians speak this way.
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09-26-2005 09:55 PM #11Originally Posted by dbleber
Playing the anthem at professional sporting events only trivializes our nation's symbols and institutions. Save it for when it's meaningful.
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09-26-2005 10:36 PM #12Originally Posted by spackler
This is where MY country amazes me, if you said that in USA you might get shot. Although i don't really agree with anything that Americans do, i do respect them for loving their country!
Most Canadians, including obviously a lot on this board don't give a crap about this country!!
The context makes no difference. Are you telling me that on Canada Day, you hear the national anthem and don't act acordingly?? What is the difference in a hockey arena?? National Anthem in a shopping mall or at Parliament, its meaning doesn't change based on context and location!! I am glad to at least see one person agree that the anthem means something!
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09-26-2005 11:20 PM #13
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Originally Posted by dbleber
OK, maybe I am old school but I have to agree. When the anthem is played, stand up, take your hat off and respect it. This goes whether it is here in Canada or if you happen to be in another country when their anthem is played. Personally, I choke back a tear or two whenever I hear the anthem - and I sing along with Lyndon.
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09-27-2005 08:43 AM #14Originally Posted by spackler
Originally Posted by spackler
I can't think of a more appropriate time to play the Canadian national anthem than before a hockey game.
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09-27-2005 08:56 AM #15
Firstly, to the "uber-patriot" who suggested Hasek would be shot for not removing his helmet for the US Anthem, get your head checked. He played in Buffalo and Detroit for the majority of his career.
Second, to the absurd notion that European nations should play the Canadian anthem (at all), simply because a sport was invented here (gee, wonder where the guy was originally from....). You can't be serious....
Thirdly, it's nice you feel so much national pride that you're willing to tell someone to take their F-ing hat off. I'd laugh in your face if you ever told me to do that. Who in the hell do you think you are?
Finally, in response to the comment of "if you don't like anthems at NHL games, stay at home"... Stop bogarting that reefer and pass it this way. YOU stay at home. Have a little flag party or something at your house and leave the sports viewing to people who care about the game, not where it's being played...
Man, this thread is great to wake up to... Haven't laughed this hard in a while....
Oh, and last I checked, I paid my $2.50 for the subway too. Let them get more on the road if they want everyone to have a seat...
Dan
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09-27-2005 09:11 AM #16
Just to add to what you said, as far as i remember, i have been to games in Detroit, Hasek did take his helmet off. But you are absolutely right, there are tons of people in big cities that don't have respect for an anthem, and more importantly for woman. Next thing you are gonna tell me Dan is that you would slam the door in the face of a wheelchair person!!! It is definetly not a necessity but some people have respect for others, whether that be a old lady on a subway or the millions of people who served for us in the war.
My theory is this, for how many people fought for us in all of the wars, this is really a small thing to do, because in the end that's what the anthem is. Its showing respect to the country and those who have fought to keep it the way it is.
I am just so amazed that people are like this in Ottawa. I am only 22 and was never patriotic until I moved to Ottawa. I guess people should take a trip to Iraq, before they can understand what kind of great country we have.
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09-27-2005 09:19 AM #17Originally Posted by broken27
To remove your hat during a country's national anthem is simply a show of respect. Unfortunately, there are a few "adults" who never mature past the ideology of a confrontational adolescent, hence the "I'd laugh in your face if you told me to do that" attitude.
Giving up your seat on the bus, or subway to a woman, or someone who is elderly is simply a matter of courtesy. Many seniors have a difficult time standing while riding on a moving vehicle. If you can't understand this, or do understand this, but just don't care, then I feel sorry for you.
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09-27-2005 09:29 AM #18Originally Posted by Shivas Irons
Who is being adolescent and confrontational? That attitude is precisely why I'd laugh.
As for women on a bus, we're well past the age when women even WANT you to stand up for them, as they are not some pitiable weaker species. As for crippled people or whatnot, I'm not a barbarian, I'm a realist. If I pay $2.50 to board a publicly subsidized vehicle, I believe I should be de facto guaranteed a seat. If you disagree, then lower my fares, or put more buses on the road... I think you'd find that in my daily dealings I am the pinnacle of etiquette and good social grace, but there is a context for that as well, which is not a hockey game.
I'm sure you were up in arms when they boo-ed the US anthem in Montreal too... Most Canadians I talked to applauded that, which is very pathetic indeed. Nobody's asking you to salute the American flag, but don't boo it either.
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09-27-2005 09:31 AM #19
I think this might be my last post on this subject, so here goes.
Dan from what i have heard, you are mostly on this site just to disturb sh** and i understand that this is your job.
But all i can say to your last post is, WOW!!
No offense to you, but i really hope that you are one in a million when it comes to your attitude. Its your opinion so i will not argue with you anymore, but WOW!!! I really hope you live in a big city and never move to a little city where these "courtesies and respects" are expected. I would suggest that with that attitude, you should move to Toronto, you should be able to find similar theories on life.
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09-27-2005 09:40 AM #20Originally Posted by broken27
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09-27-2005 09:41 AM #21Originally Posted by davevandyk
Funny you mention Toronto, since that is the last place I'd want to go. I'm actually a very small-town minded person. Many call me a "redneck"...
I don't have a "job" on this forum, nor do I take it on myself to start crap with other posters. I just post off the cuff, which is what the internet is for, IMO.
I have no beef with 99% of this forum personally or in real life.
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09-27-2005 09:42 AM #22Originally Posted by Shivas Irons
Sad... I'll never know... I'm such an a-hole... blah blah blah... Do I need to write the "exceptions" to each friggin case in point?
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09-27-2005 09:51 AM #23
Hasek lid
I usually don't interfere in these kind of thread but Dan I just had to say my mind as your comment made me mad. I am proud to be a Canadian, I am in the military and have been all over the world and let me tell you that we live in a great country and when you have been to other countries you realize that. I see that you are proud to be Tcheque and great for you, I don't disrespect your country so do the same to mine. We open our borders to everyone and don't ask much in return, just a little respect for our flag and our anthem. I am so sick and tired of people from other countries showing no respect to our flag and country. We did not ask you to come here, you choose Canada as it is a fair and beautiful country, the least that they could do is to be respectfull to the way we live. When I go to the state or anywhere else for that matter I try to adapt to their way of living and thinking. When in Rome do like the Roman. I am done venting for today (all that for a hockey helmet!!!)
No hardfeeling
Claude
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09-27-2005 09:54 AM #24Originally Posted by Shivas Irons
There are two reasons why I ask this question. 1) It is considered impolite in society to wear a hat indoors, yet those of you who remove them for the anthems put them right back on again when they're done. 2) Since Lyndon Slewidge has been mentioned, here is a man who sings our anthem with energy and conviction matched by few anywhere, yet he wears his hat while singing it. According to your argument, that makes him disrespectful. And don't tell me "it's part of his uniform" because so is Hasek's helmet part of his.
Take a look around the arena next time you're there for a game, do any of the Ottawa police remove their hats during the anthem? No. Does that make them disrespectful? I highly doubt it.
There are many things that are more disrespectful going on in this country every day than wearing a hat (or helmet) during an anthem. Put it in perspective.When applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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09-27-2005 09:55 AM #25
Claude, I respect the flag and anthem. I just don't think you can impose it on people in a BUSINESS context unless it's in the military (for ex). Should they say the lord's prayer at hockey games while we're at it?
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09-27-2005 09:57 AM #26Originally Posted by LobWedge[URL=http://www.sportsfiend.ca/]Sportsfiend.ca - Make You Opinion Into News...
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09-27-2005 10:03 AM #27
Hasek
The ottawa police do not remove their hat for the same reason that the military does not remove their hat either as they are to keep them on and salute during the anthem. Just to let you know.
And Dan I don't want to impose the removal of the hat to anyone during the playing of the anthem but it is just something that bothers me as a member of the Canadian armed forces. That's all.
Claude
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09-27-2005 10:05 AM #28
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It disappoints me greatly that many in today's society have lost their manners, respect and principles. Doing the right thing still does count for something.
Examples of doing the right thing:
* take your hat off for a national anthem - in whatever country you are in
* give up your seat on a bus or subway to someone who needs it more
* attend Remembrance Day Ceremonies
* don't disrepect anybody's flag
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09-27-2005 10:09 AM #29Originally Posted by LobWedge
All our actions, or inactions as the case may be, speak to what kind of person you are.
Since you really need to brush up on your hat etiquette, here you go :
http://www.villagehatshop.com/product829.html
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09-27-2005 10:12 AM #30Originally Posted by powerleftyWhen applying the Rules, you follow them line by line. You don't read between them.
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