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08-10-2005 07:45 PM #1
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Pace of Play
In the City & District Championship on Monday at Camelot it took us 5:45 h to complete the round once we started and we were 45 minutes late teeing off. For the second round at Kanata on Tuesday it took 5:15 h to play and we were 15 minutes late starting. Admittedly, both courses played very long and the ever popular fescue rough swallowed more than its shafr of golf balls. With brutally hot days for both, this pace of play took its toll on a lot of the players both physically and score wise.
Today at the Royal Ottawa, our third round was completed in 3:58 h, was one of the fastest tournament rounds in recent memory and was thoroughly enjoyable without all the constant waiting. Sure, the field had only the 24 who qualified for this last round, however, the groups were still threesomes, but everyone just hit the ball and walked, and the scores were actually quite good overall.
This shows that there is no real benefit to "looking at a putt from all sides," lining the ball to the hole with the line one has drawn on the ball and taking 4 practice strokes. Have a quick look and hit it and everyone would score just as well, enjoy the game more and get home before the 11 O'clock News. Worst offenders? The 20 year olds.
I must admit though, that playing the Royal Ottawa is such a treat, that one just does not want the round to end.
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08-10-2005 07:58 PM #2
Holy slow times Batman!
Just curious, do they put people/groups on the clock in the local competitions?
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08-10-2005 08:00 PM #3
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who won?? The city
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08-11-2005 12:12 AM #4
I love BC's rules on pace of play...
http://www.bcga.org/pace.cfmIt could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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08-11-2005 07:56 AM #5
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Originally Posted by Colbyhttp://www.EatDrinkSleepGolf.com
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08-11-2005 08:18 PM #6
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Originally Posted by Colby
I feel BC’s rule is unfair, as it penalizes the entire group if they are out of position.
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08-11-2005 08:20 PM #7
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"Worst offenders? The 20 year olds." Are you talking about twenty years old in general holding things up, or just during the tournament?
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08-11-2005 02:29 PM #8
I think that every age group is equally responsible for slow play. I do take some time preparing to putt, but I know my line well before I have to putt. I use the time in between shots to prepare. By the time it is my turn to putt I just need to step up and commit. The only ones to blame for slow play are the ppl who play 4 shots off the tee and then still hit it in the bush. Hit one shot take a provisiional and if you cannot get it on the short grass then drop, and drop it well.
Anyways I am in my 20's and try my hardest to be conscience of good time, good speed and those behind me. I do not speak for everyone, but I speak for myself and alot of my playing friends.
Cheers,
Justin
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08-11-2005 03:08 PM #9
If it makes you feel any better Justin, most of the time when I'm held up it's by some 'old fart' group...
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08-11-2005 03:13 PM #10
LOL, I feel suprisingly better, thank you Reid. I think people are just mad at me for finding their Pro V1's
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08-11-2005 03:41 PM #11
Why some people feel it's nessesary to "blame" any generalized group is beyond me. It's a silly attempt to create a steriotype that just does not exist. I have seen slow and fast players of all kinds.
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08-11-2005 09:04 PM #12Originally Posted by Dan Kilbank
I think beefstuf got it though
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08-11-2005 09:08 PM #13
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Originally Posted by Dan Kilbank
Thirty plus years ago the pace of play in the Alexander of Tunis tournament, for example, was such that we finished our rounds from 3:30 h to 4:00 h. Today, it takes 4:30 to 5:15 for the same tournament, and that is with officials supposedly supervising the pace of play.
I also play in OVGA and one RCGA seniors tournament, you know, the "old farts," referred to above, and their/our pace of play is a lot faster, and we take more strokes to do so. Again, this is based on personal observation.
So while you may feel that blaming any generalized group,... is a a silly attempt to create a steriotype that just does not exist, is beyond you, perhaps if you had seen their slow play over an extended period of time as I have, in the context described above, then perhaps you would have have not judged me so harshly. If opinions based on observations and facts have no validity, then on what should meaningful opinions be based? Hearsay?
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08-12-2005 08:34 AM #14Originally Posted by BC MIST
The only thing I can think of that might make you think that the younger guys are slower is that they hit further (generally speaking) and have to wait longer to play. You can't blame them for that, can you??
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08-12-2005 05:33 AM #15
Whatever you say BC. I suppose all other steriotypes are just as valid. Are you from the South?
OK, twenty somethings are slow. Old farts would zip around the course if they kept those damn kids off the course. Slow play solved. Glad I'm an old fart.
Reid I could see that yours was a joke.
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08-12-2005 07:46 AM #16
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Originally Posted by Dan Kilbank
Of course, you chose to take my comments as pigeon holing all young golfers into the slow category and that was not what I was indicating at all. Perhaps before you criticize my observation, telling me that it is "silly" and "it does not exist," you should have some proof that it does not. I find it ironic that you make an ignorant comment about my possibly being from the south. Are they not supposed to be the folks who are close minded and who make judgements without having any proof?
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08-12-2005 06:12 AM #17
Thanks Dan. I was worried you thought I was serious but I guess you already know I am darn near in the 'old fart' category myself LOL!
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08-12-2005 08:35 AM #18
So by your logic If I see a several Martians playing slowly and ignore the ones who play quickly, and several Earthlings playing quickly and ignore the ones who play slowly, its fair to say that Martians play slowly.
That's pretty simple. What makes you think I misunderstood you?
My refrence to being from the South was a toung in cheek refrence to prejudice, which thrived there until most people smartened up.
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08-12-2005 09:15 AM #19
I think if we blame the equipment then we have resolution. I know that when I golf slow play is due to my equipment, sweaty glove, broken tee, wet grip, dirt on the face, dirt on the ball. That is the only reason that I play slow.
So I guess we should just say "IT is all the equipment's fault."
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08-16-2005 09:34 PM #20
SLOOOOOOOOOW PLAY....is there anything worse for your game than waiting behind a group of slow players? My last 2 rounds (one at Pineview and the other at Emerald Links) were both over 5 hours due to 1 GROUP of people on both occasions. I must say both courses had marshalls out and not doing ANYTHING!!!!! so PLEASE people WALK FASTER!!!! I have and continue to play with golfers of all abilities and you can shoot a round of 100 or more and finish in under 4.5 hours. so people please play ready golf putt out and take those gimmies.....
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08-16-2005 10:58 PM #21
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I find the "old farts", and I'm not one yet, do tend to play faster, but only because off the tee, they're usually 150-200 yards straight down the middle (no offence to the scratch competitors, I'm talking joe-blow-weekend golfer like me), and never get in trouble. Fast, overall, yes they tend to be. They grab a club and hit quickly usually because they know theres no decision to make: there not going to make the green so they don't try.
Then I've been behind groups, old and young, where its ridiculous...they don't even take their clubs out of their bags til the green is clear... we've had endless discussions about this, and it'll never change...
So far, my best solution has been to golf on mondays-wednesdays, and early-early on weekends. Otherwise, its break out the beer time.
Competitive golf? Sure doesn't look fast on TV either...how many times have we seen Phil/Tiger waiting for a few minutes between shots. Well if they're slow....
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08-17-2005 07:43 AM #22Originally Posted by Golfpeasant
The other issue that I see a lot is waiting on the par 5's for their second shot. They hit their tee shot maybe 230-240, and they have close to 260-270 to the green, and they wait. When the green finally clears, they hit and get nowhere close to the green.
Oh well. /rant offIt could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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08-17-2005 12:34 PM #23
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Originally Posted by Colby
I face this all the time. No one in front, I finish a round in 3-4 hours on foot, closer to 3. Now I try to distract myself by chipping a ball while waiting...helps a lot. I go nuts if I stare at people in front of me.
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08-17-2005 04:29 PM #24
Side question.
On a short par 4, the group ahead is putting on the green, would the group behind be allowed to tee off? My ball caught a big tail wind and then ran up some 40 yards to gentle roll on green 298 yards away. I don't normally even have 250 yrds length but this one was combination of good contact, big wind, firm fairway. Anyways, couple of people on the green were waving with disapproval.
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08-17-2005 05:21 PM #25
I don't mind a ball rolling up after a drive 300 yards away. It's not like you flew it into the group, and hopefully it's not something that you had been doing all round. Once you get up there, apologize, and usually everything is cool.
It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
Colby
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08-17-2005 08:09 PM #26
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I just played in a recent tournament roud that took 7 hours on the GAO side of things. Let me tell you that my brain was cooked when we hit the 5h30 mark, doubled the last half of the back nine!!!^&*()
Pace of play could easily be solved if the courses didn't go so gun'ho on fescue. What happened to clearing under the trees (like Loch March or the Royal)? I can understand that most courses don't have much to protect them other than the weather, but fescue that is above the knee would only be good for a british open final round, not an amateur event...
Other note, the organizers could add marshalls on most holes to save everyone from looking through the fescue or the unkept bushyrough under the trees thingy....
my 10 pennies..
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08-23-2005 06:00 PM #27
OK so we arrive at Metcalfe GC for our 8:00 am tee time and we notice an abundance of seniors in the parking lot. Like 20 or 30 of them all at once. We think OH NO it's gonna be sloooowwww. We find out the nine hole course is closed and everyone is playing the 18 hole course, but some only playing nine will be shuttled in by marshals after 9. We get a bit concerned.
4 ladies of average age 70 are in the group ahead of us. 3 walking and one with a cart.
We speak to the starter as they hit off the tee and he informs us that they will not slow us down. No worries, but we wonder... We have all seen them, the "old farts" who bop it down the middle and putt like gods.
Anyway, we wait for them to cear the corner of #1
We wait perhaps a minute for them to clear the green.
On the second tee we arrived in time to see them clear the landing area.
We hit our second shots while they putted out. It's a par 5
We teed off #3 while they putted out.
We never saw them again.
We played in 4:00
4 golf pigs in their 40's could not keep up with 4 little old ladies over the 9 holes they played. Man they moved!
Hat's off to ya gals!
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08-23-2005 08:10 PM #28
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I tend to find that women golfers, no matter how old they are (as long as they are not first timers) play quickly. For one thing they do not stand around waiting for a green to clear when they are 250 yards from it! They just get that 3 wood out and bang it towards the green and carry on. They do not look at a 10 foot putt from every different angle on the green, nor have I ever seen one lay down on her belly to read a putt!
I enjoy playing golf with women once in awhile. I can remember years ago I went to the local 9 hole course I belonged too. I was going to play a quick 9 holes. When I went in the clubhouse the lady who owned the course asked me if I would like to play 9 holes with a lady. I said "Sure thing, tell her I will be on the first tee" So the manager brings out the lady to introduce her to me. Well she was in her late 70's . At one time she had been the Women's Club Champion for quite a few years in a row.
She was riding a cart so I tossed my clubs on and away we went. She hit it 170-180 dead down the center, she putted like a bandit and shot +9 for 9 holes! I was truly amazed how good she was at that age. I asked her how well she golfed when she was younger and she told me she could shoot even par or just above on a regular basis.
The old gal had game It was one of my most memorable 9 holes of golf, and I made a new friend that day. We played 9 holes together a few times after that. When she passed away two years later I missed her. She was an amazing lady, she was fun to play golf with.
Never be afraid to step up to the tee and play golf with a lady, no matter how old she is. You might be suprised, and you will most likely enjoy your round together.
My opinions are my own, I do not follow others.
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08-23-2005 09:29 PM #29
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Originally Posted by Golfbum
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08-23-2005 09:36 PM #30
Great stories Dan and Golfbum, just goes to show golf is for all "ages".
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