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Under rule 6-7 it says that if a player is late STARTING but withi 5 minutes he is penalized 2 strokes or loss of 1 hole in match play. Does that mean that even if you are on the tee at the correct time (9:00)but your group does not start untill 9:03 the hole group is penalized 2 stroke or loss of 1 hole? Please explain. Thanks in advance.:-)
The player who is late 3 minutes gets penalized.
Hi, it's actually under Rule 6-3 and if you check decisions 6-3a/2, 6-3a/2.5 & 6-3a/4 I thing you will find the answer. There are times when the group may not be able to tee off such as a player having to come back to hit another ball or players waiting to play into the first green. It's then not fair to penalize the group until it is actually clear for them to play. I hope this helps.
Thank you
i just found it while i was reading the decisions and was confused thankyou for your help
what time limit should the commitee put in action for pace of play because it does not say dirrectly in the rules book. Thanks.
50 first, 40 for the next two, I know I lost the argument , I thought these times were a rule. Think I need to study
You should have asked your dad about the group, happened at Can-mid this yr, no penalty, we made sure the times were passed on to all time officials, if not we would miss our check points.
Pace of play is a big issue in tournaments and we have started using a Group Pace of Play in our tournaments which has really helped speed things up. There are some minor problems that come up but overall it's a good way to go. The national events use it and I know that the GAO use it in their provincial events. Before this method as tyorke1 said it's 50 secs. for the 1st player on the tee and 40 secs. for the others and 40 seconds for stokes on the rest of the hole but with the group pace of play we generally don't have to monitor it closely as it's up to the players to make the checkpoint at the specified time. I wish they would use this in the professional events.
The US PGA and European Tour have PoP procedures in their COC hard cards
They might but it's not enforced. The odd time they sound like they're doing something by saying they're putting a group on the clock but nothing changes. Until they do what was done with Morgan Pressel and a few others on the LPGA tour they will still have the 5 hour rounds with twosomes which is not good. The group pace of play at least gets the players moving between shots.
Moving between shots is not an issue on the professional tours; the issue is once they get to the ball!Quote:
Originally Posted by gbower
Anything that John Paramor is involved in is watched very closely now and the players know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbower
Extract from: http://www.usga.org/news/2013/Februa...eeting-Speech/
Equally important, in 2013, we will commence a multi-year program aimed at addressing the frustration expressed by many golfers – including lapsed golfers – that golf takes too long to play. Pace of play has been an issue for decades; but it has now become one of the most significant threats to the game’s health. Five-hour plus rounds of golf are incompatible with life in modern society, where there are many alternative forms of entertainment and sport that fit more comfortably into the compressed time that we have available for recreation and relaxation. Beyond the time involved, we golfers are too often standing around, waiting to play each shot, watching the players in front of us seem to move in slow motion, and then, in reaction, foolishly rushing our next strokes even though we will have nowhere to go. Poor place of play saps the fun from the game, frustrates players, and discourages future play. Pace of play is a problem, for both men and women, at the professional level, the elite amateur level, and the recreational level. Now, more than ever, the golf community needs to act.
We of course applaud the past efforts of so many individuals and associations who have worked to address pace of play issues. In thinking about the pace of play problem, we have learned from these prior efforts. We are currently examining how we can further improve pace of play in our own events, particularly our own influential televised events. But the USGA needs also to add its voice and resources to the challenge for the game as a whole. In this regard, we must recognize that pace of play cannot be tackled from a singular perspective, and no single solution will be successful for all facilities or all competitions. Rather, solutions must be dynamic and adaptable, and they must consider at least four key factors that affect pace of play: (1) course design, including factors such as overall length, green-to-tee walks, and the location and number of hazards; (2) course management and set-up, including factors such as green speed, hole locations, and the height and location of rough; (3) player management, most significantly the proper management of tee times; and (4) player education, encompassing both player behavior and ability. The golf community needs to promote improvement in each of these four areas if we are to successfully address the pace of play problem.
This past year, the USGA’s Research and Test Center launched an ambitious project to create the first-ever dynamic model of pace of play – a model based on real data, and applicable to both competitive and recreational golf. Previous models and programs addressing pace of play have been based largely on observation and anecdote; but our Test Center’s model uses large-scale, real-world data. When complete, the model should show the specific influences that course design, set-up, and operation, as well as golfers themselves, have on pace of play; and it will allow us to advise course architects, club owners and managers, golf superintendents, professional tours and golfers themselves about how to promote a faster pace of play.
In anticipation of the valuable insights that we will obtain from the Test Center model, we are also ramping up and revising the Green Section’s Turf Advisory Service. We will expand its educational services to include specifically the various aspects of golf course management that impact pace of play. The Green Section will also offer a specialized on-site visit that can evaluate the playing quality of a golf course – of which pace of play is a central component.
The new pace of play model will also be used to improve the USGA Pace Rating System. This program was first developed in 1993, with the goal of helping players complete a round of golf at an optimum and reasonable pace. Historically, pace of play had been expressed as the number of hours that it should take to play the entire course. The Pace Rating System introduced a new concept: the number of minutes – or Time Par – that it should take to complete each hole. With the insights gained from the Test Center’s modeling project, our Handicap Department will be working to refine and enhance the Pace Rating System. Ultimately, we intend to make the system more dynamic, allowing us to better customize the Pace Rating of individual courses.
- See more at: http://www.usga.org/news/2013/Februa....lKud1PuO.dpuf
At the European Tour Tshwane Open Charl Coetzee was handed a one-shot penalty for slow play.