Ah - sorry, I didn't realize that. It's like anything in life - if you have the skills to pick up something at a low cost with problems and get it working, there's lots of $$$ to be saved. Well done - impressive stuff!
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Ah - sorry, I didn't realize that. It's like anything in life - if you have the skills to pick up something at a low cost with problems and get it working, there's lots of $$$ to be saved. Well done - impressive stuff!
Yes, it's a Fiberbuilt and it looks the same as the one on the PX2. The big difference is that the PX2 has a 1/2 inch layer of acrylic glass while the Protee does not. Oh yeah, this thing is much bigger than I had thought it be. The ball track has a control board inside a fairway panel.
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Awesome ZMax.
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You can order some of the ribbon cable. If memory serves it was 28 or 32 pin, kind of an odd size, but its out there. I had to get some to extend the distance to my ball track. I found a place in CA I think that sold it by the foot. I ordered a couple M/F connectors and I was set. Shouldn't be too difficult to fix the cable issue.
ZMax how many sensors are on the ProTee? It seems to have 2 rows on board and a few behind the first row. I wonder how the sensor arrangement works? Is the ball sensor one or 2 rows?
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Not sure if you can tell from the image above, but the sensors are very, very small and very close together. This might be how GGS can claim such accuracy.
I agree ZMax. The sensor size, spacing and arrangements are very important for club and ball accuracy. I think the ProTee/GGS are quality built sims.
I had to go get 2 halogen bulbs for the lights. Both bulbs came dead. Probably from
shipping. I hope to be able to take some swings on the Protee in a a little bit.
What kind of bulbs are required? How do you plan on mounting them? ZMax could you post a pic of the lights mounted when you get a chance.
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The lighting is your basic 120 volts track lighting with spotlight fixtures. The fixtures twist into the track. I mounted the track with 2 screws, one in each floor joist. Since it's 120 volts, no transformer is needed, just connect white to white and black to black. The bulbs are 50 watt halogen par20 spot light for the ball track and a 50 watt GU10 twist on for the sensor mat. Cheap stuff.
In one of the pictures you can see the spot of light for the ball track. The sensor mat light didn't affect the screen at all but the ball track light had a small effect on image. Might not even be noticeable during play. Blinders on the ball track light fixture would take care of this.
You can see the difference in size between the Protee/GGS and the P3pro. The Protee is also a little bit taller.
The first few swings came in at around 88 mph, not bad considering I haven't swung a club since I returned my P3pro/GSA courses. I guess I don't have any reflection or should I say shadow issues?:-)
I'll try to take some screen shots.
ZMax are you getting a mat system for the sim or are you going to make one? The grass quality looks better than the p3pro cdg one.
It is too bad that you can't use the new ProTee Play software or the upcoming launch cam with that sensor board. Have you enquired about that? What is the reason behind not being able to do that?
The ribbon cables have been repaired and the pieces are now connected together. All of the ball track's 128 sensors are working.
I do have a problem. The main sensor is working fine but when connected with the ball track, the program is telling me that the ball track failed to detect a ball. I can toss balls over the ball track and the individual sensors do light up in the software. But the ball track is saying that it failed to detect a ball greater than 4 cm.
It sounds like the shadow of the ball is not big enough. Ceiling too low?
Are you at the recommended height of your ceiling lights? Can you adjust the ball sensor shadow ball size in the software?
What is the recommended height for the lights?
Here's the camera setup instructions with a club track, I think (fairway sensor mat?):
http://www.ggssystems.com/CameraSetup.html
Recommended mounting height is 10 feet / 3 meters.
Still having a problem with the ball track. The middle section of sensors are not picking up the ball, while the left and right sides are working OK. That explains why it was reporting no ball detected. Must be another problem with the control board. The control board is in a fairway extension panel that is just like the sensor grass panel but with out the sensor cut outs. I could probably use the fairway panel to make another PX2 sensor for relatively cheap.:-) Bubba22???:)
Another thing I noticed with the ball track is that at 3.5 feet and above, the ball's shadow is gets very faint and fuzzy. I could see the sensor having a hard time detecting balls from a wedge shot. Maybe a brighter bulb will make it better, but then I'll have to use blinders on the light fixtures for sure.
I do think that is the concern with ir ball tracking.
RDH do you have any advice for ZMax as you seem to have good success with the Pro7 ball tracking. I know your sim has a 40 degree limit for launch but how does it measure the ball speed/direction above the 40 degrees?
All shots up to 40 degrees come up very accurately on the Pro7 and the ball path/speed seems to be picked up fine using the shadow technology. So, basically all full shots work fine, as even with wedges a full swing typically doesn't launch above 40 degrees (unless you lob it up). Once you're above 40 degrees I'm not sure how wacky things would be with Golftek's base software or GPS...again, I wrote my own logic to estimate the angle and calculate the speed accordingly once you're above 40 degrees, and for the most part it works pretty well. Certainly not perfect - you definitely get the odd wonky reading, but for the most part it's good.
If you didn't have your integration to accomodate above the 40 degrees rdh how would pro7 work in that situation? Perhaps you didn't test that before your integration program.
I know it was very inaccurate, but I can't recall specifics. Once I saw that it was a problem, I worked on my "workaround" logic to address it.
Do you think the problem of the high loft shot may be an issue with the ball ir shadow technology? If so besides writing a integration program, any other technical advice like overhead bulb brightness, bulb size, bulb height etc that may improve the accuracy?
In my case the system still seems to pick up the ball okay to get a speed reading even on high loft shots, so I think it's just the pro 7's angled IR sensors (for launch angle) that have the limitation. I use standard 90 watt halogen lighting above the sensors.
The lights are about 10 feet above the device. Golftek requires 90 watt bulbs at 9 feet - even at 10 they thought I might need to look for 100 watt ones (which are bloody hard to find). 50 watt is nowhere near high enough...pick up some 90s. :)
Another great purpose of these forums. Thanks RDH. Give it a try ZMax and let us know.
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Update on the ball track issue. It was not the light. Shadows looked better but it didn't help. I couldn't find a 90 watt fixture so I got 75 watt instead. The 75 watt actually made the main sensor act a little crazy. 50 watt is just about right for the GGS/Protee sensor. There be must a problem with the ball track control board or another bad ribbon cable.
At this point, I'm not too concern about it. The ball track is a low priority for me because the GGS sensor is very accurate and the old ProX program is doing a decent job. Later this week I'll have the latest ProX and 65 GSA courses, which means this setup that I have won't really be a Protee.:-)
is they're anybody who as information on the real new protee what about the algorytem problem you guys talked about??? Is it with the new protee
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Just by looking at the Protee 2.0 sensor pad layout. I'll guess that it's a PX2 with maybe a modified MX ball sensor. I doubt that they would go out and get somebody to design and build a brand new sensor.
Now, I'm just guessing here but, the interface is probably still a modified ProX, but with Custom Play for the courses. As far as accuracy, we won't know until somebody gets one and review it here.
If I'm right about the hardware, there should be no reason why I can't upgrade just the software to ProTee 2.0.