I can see the ad now -Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
Tigers ball sitting there then slowly rolling in the hole. Voice over: "Nike, we go one more turn".
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I can see the ad now -Quote:
Originally Posted by bobblehead
Tigers ball sitting there then slowly rolling in the hole. Voice over: "Nike, we go one more turn".
Was an incredible shot, but even Tiger's look as it went in TOLD everyone how the shot was LUCKY to go in. Great players will create their own luck, and that shot was luck and nothing more. I'm sure he meant to put it as close as possible, but didn't think it would go in... Of course, you'd have to ask him. I haven't watched any post-Masters interviews, because I care nothing for what these people have to say after the fact, but I'd be willing to bet that he has a lot of "I meant to put it into tap in range, but seeing it drop was awesome" kind of comments....Quote:
Originally Posted by Andru
Either way, was a fairly exciting tourney. Just too bad there wasn't a bigger chasing group.
Dan
Nothing more than luck? In any chip you put the ball as close as possible, sometimes we get "lucky" and it goes in. It takes a lot of skill to see a line like that, and play the shot under preassure. Yes he was delighted to see it fall in after dying on the lip, but "luck and nothing more" is denying the skill.Quote:
that shot was luck and nothing more.
If ya skull it, bounce off a tree and into the hole, that's "luck and nothing more"
BTW, Davis Love made an almost identical shot from a bit further down the hill, but without the "hanging logo" . I'm not sure if it was last year or the year before. It was spectacular too.
I definately would have rather seen the other players shots than DiMarco and Woods sitting around.
You have to be good to be lucky. It was a very good shot that executed as he envisioned it. He tried to put it close, and you can't get any closer than that.
Then I guess I'll be denying talent... You tell me, do you try to put that in, or close? I would guess that like most of us would, Tiger was trying to leave it for a tap in. Sinking it was LUCK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Kilbank
I guarantee you he'll say the same.
Dan
OK, but I thought you didn't care what they say after the round.:listen:Quote:
I guarantee you he'll say the same.
Fine but unlike most of us he actually gets it close enough to have a chance of going in and that, is not luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by broken27
TIGER WOODS SAID, in post interview, paraphrased: I never intended it to go in, I saw Dimarco threatening a birdie, I wanted to make sure I put it into position for a par...that it went in was lucky. He even referenced remembering the SAME SHOT THAT DAVIS LOVE THE III made.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbleber
The notion that he alone could make that shot is silly.
I didn't say that he was the only one that could make that shot. I think that there are even guys on here who could make that shot, maybe not under that pressure but skill wise it was a pitch shot and given the proper read and picking the right line it would be doable. Tiger can say what he wants to the camera but I think we all hit shots with the intention of sinking them. The fact that it went in was a bonus, luck is something that you have no control over and a something good comes out of it. Tiger was in control of his own destiny, if he woud have missed would that make it luck for Dimarco? I guess it is all how you look at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golfpeasant
For the record I am not a Tiger fan and it hurts me to post in his defence. :-)
Denny
I don't think that's what was being said.Quote:
The notion that he alone could make that shot is silly.
What I found interesting and rather ironic was comparing this shot to DiMarco's chip on the 18th (just before he forced the playoff). Although closer to the pin than TW's, it was also a very tricky chip shot that seemed to actually be dropping into the hole and then popped out. If it had stayed in, DiMarco would have won the tournament with a chip-in on the last hole and THAT is the shot everyone would be talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golfpeasant
It is truly a cruel game.
Luck is too strong a word for me. He read the green, picked his club, picked his landing area where it would funnel back towards the hole and executed his shot. He did everything right and the fact that the ball went into the hole is "good fortune". He set himself up to get as close as possible and it was his good fortune that it eventually rolled into the cup. A lucky shot would be,if he picked his landing area and then bladed it, but it went straight at the hole, hit the flagstick and in. In that circumstance he wouldn't have intended to hole out in that fashion and did so as a result of luck.
ZWho said anything about Tiger being the only one that could hit that shot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Golfpeasant
If Jack Nicklaus or Arnold Palmer were to hit Tiger's shot on #16, everybody in the world would have said only good things about it (ie: Greatest shot ever), but since it was Tiger then some people will say otherwise and call it lucky and easy. Heck, even Tiger called it lucky in his press conference! It was a great shot if I would have done at Pineview :laughing:, or if Annika did on the LPGA, or if Bill Murray did at Pebble Beach or even if Tiger did it :mecry
I completely agree that it was one of the best shots at the Masters, given the fact that it meant so much to the eventual outcome. There hasn't been many better shots that contributed to the winner. Not many of the guys who had hole-in-one's or made double eagles were eventually winners or runner-ups.Quote:
Originally Posted by EDSGOLF
On the other hand, the shot was both great and lucky. Tiger said it himself, he just picked a spot where he thought it would give him a chance to make the next shot for par. I found it qutie impressive that out of that lie, he said he hit the exact spot on the green that he was trying to hit. The rest of the shot was luck though, I can say this as a huge Tiger fan. I would have said the same for Jack or Arnie, the amazing part is the fact that he had the imagination to pick the perfect spot, some 25 feet left of the hole where it would have a chance to get close. Its not easy to pcik a spot that far from the cup and trust that its the correct spot to hit too!!! Great execution, led to one of the most meaningful hole-outs in Masters history!
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Originally Posted by davevandyk
To be picky, if he picked the line and hit it on the exact spot on the green he was trying to hit, how can that be luck? Well executed with a good result yes, but luck? I think the word luck is just not right in this situation.
Denny
Read the rest of that sentence in my initial post Dan... It's very consistent with what I posted in the second.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Kilbank
Andru - Sticking it close enough to have a chance of it dropping is skill. It going an extra half revolution to actually drop is LUCK. Clearly if he had the skill to make that shot on purpose, he'd be posting -18 on almost every round of golf he played. I'm surprised that a Tiger supporter can't just accept the NICE things I said about his game (for a change, since I hate the guy) and move on. You have to pick apart even a positive post....
Screw it.... Enough trying to be nice.... I hate Tiger, and hope he never makes another cut and becomes the next Duval.
I find it hilarious that some people are arguing that Tiger's own comments about that shot have no validity... Yeah, you all know better than him about what HE CONSIDERED A LUCKY RESULT on a good shot..... That's why he's out playing the Masters and you guys are posting in Ottawagolf forums....
Dan
the only reason i say that it was luck is the fact that Tiger himself said he picked a spot on the green, so that if he hit that exact spot, it would give him a good chance of making the next shot for par. He said his "best" result would have been to put his ball inside DiMarco's ball to put a little pressure on him. That's why i call the fact that the ball went in "luck". If Tiger said " I picked out a spot where i thought, if i just hit that spot the ball will likely go in" then i would say it was 100% skill. Right now i would have to give him 95% skill for hitting the spot and 5% luck for rolling perfectly into the hole!Quote:
Originally Posted by dbleber
I find some of the pro - anti Tiger stuff funny, and personally I am not on either side. I like to watch him, but not just because he's in the field. When he plays well, I wanna see the excietment.That's pretty harsh. No bias then eh :scratchchQuote:
I hate Tiger, and hope he never makes another cut
And which of the 2 do you do? :stirthepoQuote:
Originally Posted by broken27
What else are we supposed to do? There are only a couple of courses open and working is no fun, reading and posting seems like a better option! Besides it should all be takin as good fun since there is no real answer. :confused
Denny
How is there not an answer? People have posted his own comments from after the tourney. Yet, some people are talking about "when the cameras is on..." nonsense. If I made that shot on purpose, I'd hardly defer it to LUCK in my interview.... Tiger did.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbleber
I post in OG Forums, but I am not making assumptions really. I am clearly posting what even TIGER has said about that shot, and people are arguing it based on what they THINK may exist in some deep subconscious recess of Tiger's mind.
It would be taken in good fun by me, but sadly the Tiger supporters who always b|tch and moan about my negativity towards Tiger are now arguing even when I give him some credit. It's like elementary school....
Dan
Broken, you said it best here.............I also agree with the fact that if Tiger said it was lucky then accept it guys, cause when he speaks you should listen. :listen: :-)Quote:
Clearly if he had the skill to make that shot on purpose, he'd be posting -18 on almost every round of golf he played. I'm surprised that a Tiger supporter can't just accept the NICE things I said about his game (for a change, since I hate the guy) and move on. You have to pick apart even a positive post....
And btw, what about Immelman's shot on 16? Luck or skill? :laughing:
Apparently all skill... Oh wait, it's not Woods we're talking about...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Karam
:P
Dan
Here's my point and please understand I get yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by davevandyk
If Tiger had hit the same shot and it was rolling a 1/2 inch left of the hole and a beatle crawls in front and redirects it into the hole. I'd say that's good luck. If it redirects the thing out of the hole. It's bad luck.
Untimately Tiger was trying to put the ball as close to the hole as possible. The fact that it went in means he hit a perfect shot. If he makes a 99% shot it stops on the lip. If he makes a 40% shot it's on the top ridge and doesn't come back. He did everything to get that ball to the right spot. It was skill that got the ball rolling on the right line to the hole.
We just disagree on the definition of luck.
Without a doubt skill. He played right of the hole so the ball would roll towards the hole. that's how most people play it. He just hit a perfect shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Karam
Willing to accept a difference of opinion on what LUCK really is.... But, hitting a perfect shot means you have combined skill AND luck. Phil had a birdie chance or perhaps even eagle (can't recall) that looked like it hit a bug, so I can relate to your example as well....Quote:
Originally Posted by Andru
But, Tiger didn't hit any other perfect shots all day, and SAID HIMSELF that the ball dropping on 16 was luck... Obviously he was trying to put it close, otherwise he's really missing the point of the game. From the commentators, it's one of the most unlikely places on the hole to make a birdie from, and he did it. He is quoted as saying he meant to get inside DiMarco, not put it in. Take his comments for face value. He'd know better than ANY of us.... Myself included.
Dan
That's a fair. Correction he did hit a perfect putt to win the playoff. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by broken27
Maybe it was Paul McCartney... :lmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Andru
Agreed, but I consider putting a whole seperate beast. I do not consider putting "shot making". Chipping, yes, and obviously anything farther away than a chip as well. Tiger's putting was uncomfortably solid (from my Tiger-hater POV) through the last round. I honestly expected him to start lipping putts the way he has over the last two seasons. Especially when he got all pissed off at missing a putt. Usually when he starts to show signs of frustration, the collapse is on. He held it together very admirably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andru
.... and that's the last nice thing I'm saying about Tiger for this week!!!! :P
Dan
I love spring. BRING ON THE GOLF SEASON!!!!!